March Madness and Covid-19

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How many people do you know smoke. Your personal data gathering is not representative of reality. I'm not saying people do things because the president does or doesn't do because that effect is somewhat dubious and overblown.

Okay I’ll rephrase. I’ve never seen someone claim their spouse died because they saw where Obama said smoking was potentially a cure for a pandemic virus.
 
That was locker room talk. It's all about the exaggeration. Have you ever engaged in locker room talk.

Not while talking to a television host. I’ve also never identified housing applications based on race. Want to keep going?
 
Why mention it if it’s not known?

We have someone in the medical field on this board saying people are hoarding it.

I have friends who don’t need medical marijuana but get is prescribed.

It is a prescription drug thus you need a prescription to access it. There are numerous stories of it being hoarded by doctors on the web.

I would gather you want this whole situation to be just a nightmare and end asap for we all do. Your wanting it to end asap is not touting, but wishful and hopeful thinking and we are all allowed to hold the same position. In times of hardship people need positive reinforcement and the president is trying to do that. He said "what do we have to lose" since it is a tried and proven drug for various maladies for over 70 years thus its safety profile has stood the test of time. If this were a basketball game and we were behind at halftime I'm sure our boy Lon would offer encouragement to the team as opposed to saying "we do not have a rat's arse chance."

The thing is what if it really helps. Are you going to be disappointed. How about we just let things play out before hanging the prisoner in cell block B.
 
Not while talking to a television host. I’ve also never identified housing applications based on race. Want to keep going?

There was no evidence that trump did that personally either.. he has thousands of employees.. genius

Cnn was sued for racism therefore cnn is racist
 
It is a prescription drug thus you need a prescription to access it. There are numerous stories of it being hoarded by doctors on the web.

I would gather you want this whole situation to be just a nightmare and end asap for we all do. Your wanting it to end asap is not touting, but wishful and hopeful thinking and we are all allowed to hold the same position. In times of hardship people need positive reinforcement and the president is trying to do that. He said "what do we have to lose" since it is a tried and proven drug for various maladies for over 70 years thus its safety profile has stood the test of time. If this were a basketball game and we were behind at halftime I'm sure our boy Lon would offer encouragement to the team as opposed to saying "we do not have a rat's arse chance."

The thing is what if it really helps. Are you going to be disappointed. How about we just let things play out before hanging the prisoner in cell block B.

LK saying you have a chance to win if you do **** doesn’t put lives at risk.
 
Not while talking to a television host. I’ve also never identified housing applications based on race. Want to keep going?


You are just going down a list and checking them off one by one, which is really not what the discussion is about, and we know this.

I never claimed you liked the dude. That's for damn sure (fa show).
 
LK saying you have a chance to win if you do **** doesn’t put lives at risk.

He is not putting lives at risk because he is not the FDA nor can he prescribe medication to individuals. He has every right to talk about past studies as well as offer hope to a nation scared crapless.
 
He is not putting lives at risk because he is not the FDA nor can he prescribe medication to individuals. He has every right to talk about past studies as well as offer hope to a nation scared crapless.

Some people go off his every word & he’s spreading misinformation. When he is knowingly spreading stuff that isn’t proven is careless at the very least.
 
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Some people go off his every word & he’s spreading misinformation. When he is knowingly spreading stuff that isn’t proven is careless at the very least.

You suggested no one you know smokes because Obama stated he smoked.

Again, he said it might work ,which is not the same thing as saying it does, and it really is an easy concept to understand. There is no spreading involved. Enjoy your evening!

I had a link in a previous post showing more than 65 doctors saying it should be used and they are not doing it because of Trump. The CBS in house doctor also said it should be looked at and used (link below and I'm guessing his license should be revoked). Lastly, there is a short vid of a patient with coronavirus who was all but left to die and his respiratory functions increased dramatically within hours of being administered chloroquine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93TpfCzpM3Y
 
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You suggested no one you know smokes because Obama stated he smoked.

Again, he said it might work ,which is not the same thing as saying it does, and it really is an easy concept to understand. There is no spreading involved. Enjoy your evening!

I had a link in a previous post showing more than 65 doctors saying it should be used and they are not doing it because of Trump. The CBS in house doctor also said it should be looked at and used (link below and I'm guessing his license should be revoked). Lastly, there is a short vid of a patient with coronavirus who was all but left to die and his respiratory functions increased dramatically within hours of being administered chloroquine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93TpfCzpM3Y

I’ve never seen or read anyone smoke because Obama did. I’ve read where someone died off something Trump was discussing. He needs to realize some people take his word to heart.
 
I’ve never seen or read anyone smoke because Obama did. I’ve read where someone died off something Trump was discussing. He needs to realize some people take his word to heart.

No one is responsible for holding the hands of all others and you know this. Some drink responsibly and some do not. I get the feeling you do not want it to work which is sad as it would just be more ammo for you to use. Before lynching someone why not wait until all the facts are in before you pull the lever. There are professionals who are using it. What if the doctor on CBS was seen by someone and that is the reason they took fish tank cleaner. Would you then assail that doctor. Hell no. Kind of strange how that works.

Did you know that zinc is used as a supplement for health reasons. If a person drank paint containing zinc then who is to blame. Yeah.
 
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I’m a democrat that honestly doesn’t know whether I’m slightly left/right or dead center. I’ll give my view when asked, but being in Oklahoma is exhausting when it comes to politics.

Have you ever lived far from Oklahoma? The political conversation isn't more intelligent in the NE -- just different.
 
Have you ever lived far from Oklahoma? The political conversation isn't more intelligent in the NE -- just different.

I've lived in Colorado... I would say the political conversation was more intelligent there. It's pretty bad in Oklahoma. It all seems to be different versions of the same premise though.

These seem to be the different folks I run across:

The MAGA crowd... Hang on his every word. He is the cult leader. They think he's the best thing since sliced bread. It's gone beyond policy support to total infatuation with the man himself. Many of these folks don't even really understand the policy, they just hear things they like. BIG TRADE DEAL! NO MORE MEXICANS! A HUGE WALL! OBAMA SUCKED! etc...

The "ends justify the means" conservative crowd... People who seem to get that Trump is a jackass, but the end result is something they like. They like the GOP policies, corporate tax cuts, trade deals, stock gains, immigration policy, etc.

The "independent" crowd.... People who typically like the status quo, but just hate Trump enough to wish it was someone else in charge. They may even vote for a centrist democrat because they can't stand him, even if the country itself is doing ok.

The "center left" crowd... Not that different from the independent bunch... They don't want anything totally drastic to change. Tax structure that is a little more equitable, some social welfare net kind of stuff, increased spending on education and healthcare, etc.

The "left" crowd... These are the Bernie folks.. Medicare for everyone, Tuition free college, more publicly owned enterprises, wealth tax, etc... these people want a total restructure of society that moves the US more in line with Europe and Scandinavia. Guaranteed rights from the govt for time off, pay, hours, etc.

The "progressive" crowd... These folks are like the social justice warriors. They care about a lot of the economic stuff that the "left" crowd does, but seem to care about social issues more. Transgender bathrooms, gay rights, gender identification stuff.
 
I have lived in Saratoga Springs NY, Boston, Chicago, Va Beach, Orlando, Kings Bay Ga, San Diego, San Francisco, and Seattle and in each of those places the political conversation was generally more intelligent than in Oklahoma. I also lived in Odessa and Corpus and it was not more intelligent there.
 
That's not Trump... Trump doesn't = The Party. Trump doesn't = conservatism. I get that you would support the Republican Party because you don't like socialism, but that doesn't mean you have to go all in on Trump.

Trump is nearly every bad thing a person can have. He is a liar. He is petty. He is cruel. He is vindictive. He's dumb. He's a narcissist. Etc. It's amazing how many bad qualities can be attributed to him.

If you want a conservative government, great, you can get that from lots of other people without all the BS that Trump brings. Rubio, Kasich, Bush, Cruz, etc. They will all deliver the policies you want, but not tear the country in half like Trump has.

And to say he is a top 5 President is one of the most insane things I have ever heard, it's a total slap in the face to people like:

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
John Quincy Adams
Abraham Lincoln
Theo Roosevelt
Rutherford B. Hayes
Franklin Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Etc...

History will not be favorable to Trump, I am certain of that.

FDR is not in the top half of best presidents all time
 
So.....I've been busy with work today. Is Oklahoma, or Tulsa specifically, going into lock down tomorrow at noon as I've been told?

today at midnight for the counties with a positive test ..

but prettty unclear guidlines
 
I've lived in Colorado... I would say the political conversation was more intelligent there. It's pretty bad in Oklahoma. It all seems to be different versions of the same premise though.

These seem to be the different folks I run across:

The MAGA crowd... Hang on his every word. He is the cult leader. They think he's the best thing since sliced bread. It's gone beyond policy support to total infatuation with the man himself. Many of these folks don't even really understand the policy, they just hear things they like. BIG TRADE DEAL! NO MORE MEXICANS! A HUGE WALL! OBAMA SUCKED! etc...

The "ends justify the means" conservative crowd... People who seem to get that Trump is a jackass, but the end result is something they like. They like the GOP policies, corporate tax cuts, trade deals, stock gains, immigration policy, etc.

The "independent" crowd.... People who typically like the status quo, but just hate Trump enough to wish it was someone else in charge. They may even vote for a centrist democrat because they can't stand him, even if the country itself is doing ok.

The "center left" crowd... Not that different from the independent bunch... They don't want anything totally drastic to change. Tax structure that is a little more equitable, some social welfare net kind of stuff, increased spending on education and healthcare, etc.

The "left" crowd... These are the Bernie folks.. Medicare for everyone, Tuition free college, more publicly owned enterprises, wealth tax, etc... these people want a total restructure of society that moves the US more in line with Europe and Scandinavia. Guaranteed rights from the govt for time off, pay, hours, etc.

The "progressive" crowd... These folks are like the social justice warriors. They care about a lot of the economic stuff that the "left" crowd does, but seem to care about social issues more. Transgender bathrooms, gay rights, gender identification stuff.

here is the thing

if you don't listen to trump don't read his tweets and just look at what he has done as president

he has been fantastic and he has largely followed what he said he would do on the campaign trail (w/ taxes, judges, foreign policy ect)

does he "act presidential" all the time no and in a lot of ways it is a bad look and most reasonable republicans think this


for those that can't see past his pettyness to his actions ....

well the TDS is strong and alive
 
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