March Madness and Covid-19

[WTSooner]

here is the thing

if you don't listen to trump don't read his tweets and just look at what he has done as president

he has been fantastic and he has largely followed what he said he would do on the campaign trail (w/ taxes, judges, foreign policy ect)

does he "act presidential" all the time no and in a lot of ways it is a bad look and most reasonable republicans think this


for those that can't see past his pettyness to his actions ....

well the TDS is strong and alive

Exactly. I wish he'd just shut up sometimes, but none of that stuff bothers me if he is getting the results this country badly needed. And he's done that. Better than anybody could have expected.

 

[AdaSooner]

You suggested no one you know smokes because Obama stated he smoked.

Again, he said it might work ,which is not the same thing as saying it does, and it really is an easy concept to understand. There is no spreading involved. Enjoy your evening!

I had a link in a previous post showing more than 65 doctors saying it should be used and they are not doing it because of Trump. The CBS in house doctor also said it should be looked at and used (link below and I'm guessing his license should be revoked). Lastly, there is a short vid of a patient with coronavirus who was all but left to die and his respiratory functions increased dramatically within hours of being administered chloroquine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93TpfCzpM3Y

I admire you for trying, but nothing you say or prove by posting facts will matter to some posters on this thread. Trump haters are going to hate and there’s not a thing you can do about it.

One thing you can be sure of: I will personally cancel one of their votes in November! And, for the record, I’m a lifelong Democrat. Considered changing parties a few years back, but changed my mind thanks to Republicans like Paul Ryan and a handful of others I could name.

Both sides have losers. But the Democrats have a lead in that area by a huge margin. They can’t even find a viable candidate for the highest office in the country. Hillary four years ago. Are you serious? A Socialist and an old man who is more senile than me in the current race. Sad, but true.

Trump may not be the ideal candidate, but he’s better than anything my own party will bring to the race! I’ll cast my vote for Donald Trump and be danged proud of it! Not that anyone will care, but the latest Gallup poll shows 60% of the people are satisfied with his handling of the virus so far. So, knock yourself out Trump haters! You’re just going to make his supporters more determined than they were in 2016, proving you didn’t learn from the experience.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I admire you for trying, but nothing you say or prove by posting facts will matter to some posters on this thread. Trump haters are going to hate and there’s not a thing you can do about it.

One thing you can be sure of: I will personally cancel one of their votes in November! And, for the record, I’m a lifelong Democrat. Considered changing parties a few years back, but changed my mind thanks to Republicans like Paul Ryan and a handful of others I could name.

Both sides have losers. But the Democrats have a lead in that area by a huge margin. They can’t even find a viable candidate for the highest office in the country. Hillary four years ago. Are you serious? A Socialist and an old man who is more senile than me in the current race. Sad, but true.

Trump may not be the ideal candidate, but he’s better than anything my own party will bring to the race! I’ll cast my vote for Donald Trump and be danged proud of it! Not that anyone will care, but the latest Gallup poll shows 60% of the people are satisfied with his handling of the virus so far. So, knock yourself out Trump haters! You’re just going to make his supporters more determined than they were in 2016, proving you didn’t learn from the experience.

They are a stubborn bunch. Some people like their mullets and will defend it all costs. The one thing I can do,though, is to expose them as frauds. You can parade one doctor after the other who stand behind chloroquine, but it means nothing to them, even though they state their case with facts and on a liberal network. I really believe they do not want it to actually help people because it would invariably mean Trump was right and they were wrong and to them that is all that counts even though they hide behind a facade that they "only" care about the people. Rubbish! It is the sickness that is mankind on display for all to see. What they care about is themselves and it is so transparently obvious. They are without shame and it embarrasses me to be a human being. It truly does.

 

[AdaSooner]

They are a stubborn bunch. Some people like their mullets and will defend it all costs.

So true. I don’t have much patience with people like that these days. That’s why it’s best if I stay out of the fray and let more capable defenders of the truth like you speak for me.

I just wanted you to know you’re not alone in your thoughts. Carry on!

 

[WTSooner]

I have lived in Saratoga Springs NY, Boston, Chicago, Va Beach, Orlando, Kings Bay Ga, San Diego, San Francisco, and Seattle and in each of those places the political conversation was generally more intelligent than in Oklahoma. I also lived in Odessa and Corpus and it was not more intelligent there.

So you think the places that are considerably more liberal have more intelligent conversations.

Imagine. That.

 

[thebigabd]

FDR is not in the top half of best presidents all time

Hahaha, what? He is generally regarded as one of the most important Presidents in history. Pulled us out of the Great Depression, led us through WW2, and brought all sorts of legislation that people take for granted today. He was President from 1933-1945 (when he died).

I get that people who don't believe in workers rights, 8 hour days, banking guarantees, overtime pay, unemployment benefits, social security, prohibition on child labor, etc wouldn't like him... but he is one of the most important Presidents in history, with potentially the biggest impact on America as a whole.

He had a 63 percent approval rating and won 4 elections. He won the 1936 election 523-8. Yes, you heard that right. 523-8. He carried every single state except Maine and Vermont, lol.

He won the 1940 election 449-82.

He won the 1932 election 472-59.

 

[AdaSooner]

here is the thing

if you don't listen to trump don't read his tweets and just look at what he has done as president

he has been fantastic and he has largely followed what he said he would do on the campaign trail (w/ taxes, judges, foreign policy ect)

does he "act presidential" all the time no and in a lot of ways it is a bad look and most reasonable republicans think this


for those that can't see past his pettyness to his actions ....

well the TDS is strong and alive

I feel the same way. Trump can be his own worst enemy sometimes. As WTSooner said, if he would shut up (I’ll also add think before he tweets), his job would be easier.

But anyone who can’t see the positives (all against constant attacks from his enemies and the main stream media) are either in denial or they can’t see through their cloud of hate.

 

[thebigabd]

here is the thing

if you don't listen to trump don't read his tweets and just look at what he has done as president

he has been fantastic and he has largely followed what he said he would do on the campaign trail (w/ taxes, judges, foreign policy ect)

does he "act presidential" all the time no and in a lot of ways it is a bad look and most reasonable republicans think this

So you fit in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.

Exactly. I wish he'd just shut up sometimes, but none of that stuff bothers me if he is getting the results this country badly needed. And he's done that. Better than anybody could have expected.

So you are in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.

That's fine. Can we still be friends on the basketball forum?

 

[AdaSooner]

So you fit in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.



So you are in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.

That's fine. Can we still be friends on the basketball forum?

Don’t worry, I will continue to be your friend. But I’m still going to cancel your vote in November.

 

[WTSooner]

So you fit in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.



So you are in the "ends justify the means" group that I posted.

That's fine. Can we still be friends on the basketball forum?

That's a weird way of putting. The "means" are just words. EVERY President should be mostly judged by the results. The tangible stuff. All the other stuff is just noise.

Ends justifying the means would be like if he started a war with Europe to get us out of the Paris climate change agreement. But he didn't do something crazy to get us out, he just got us out.

I grew up during a time where one of the biggest sayings was "sticks and stones can break my bones but WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME." We should get back to that way of living. Everybody gets so butt-hurt over WORDS these days.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Exactly. I wish he'd just shut up sometimes, but none of that stuff bothers me if he is getting the results this country badly needed. And he's done that. Better than anybody could have expected.

Speaking of results.

If someone had a loved one drowning surely they would want someone to make a sacrifice and save their precious one.

As it pertains to the "hero of the day" it should not matter what their skin color is or the ethnicity or nationality or education or sex or gender or religion is.

It should not matter how they talk or what language they talk with. It should not matter what books they read, movies they watch, tv shows they tape, food they consume, hobbies they have, or travel destinations or any of that bunk for it is all minutia.

What they should care, though, are results, yet as soon as the "hero of the day" makes it back to shore with their loved one safely in tow they ridicule the person because of all of the above!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh to be a jerk off. I'll pass.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I have lived in Saratoga Springs NY, Boston, Chicago, Va Beach, Orlando, Kings Bay Ga, San Diego, San Francisco, and Seattle and in each of those places the political conversation was generally more intelligent than in Oklahoma. I also lived in Odessa and Corpus and it was not more intelligent there.

Nothing grinds my gears more then lefties that hate Oklahoma, ***** about how bad Oklahoma is, and brags about how awesome California is, but they won't leave..

 

[sheepdogs1]

That's a weird way of putting. The "means" are just words. EVERY President should be mostly judged by the results. The tangible stuff. All the other stuff is just noise.

Ends justifying the means would be like if he started a war with Europe to get us out of the Paris climate change agreement. But he didn't do something crazy to get us out, he just got us out.

I grew up during a time where one of the biggest sayings was "sticks and stones can break my bones but WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME." We should get back to that way of living. Everybody gets so butt-hurt over WORDS these days.

Panties in a bind must hurt something awful. I think the solution is they go "commando."

 

[coolm]

If you guys want to challenge my opinion that Oklahoma has a serious education problem then by all means challenge ... and you'll lose. Our own teachers will tell you that we do.

Leave Oklahoma? get bent. I was born here and my family helped settle the newcastle, blanchard, tuttle area in the late 1800's. I've worked to improve things - have you? Maybe if a few of you went to Louisiana both states collective IQ's would increase.

 

[sheepdogs1]

If you guys want to challenge my opinion that Oklahoma has a serious education problem then by all means challenge ... and you'll lose. Our own teachers will tell you that we do.

Leave Oklahoma? get bent. I was born here and my family helped settle the newcastle, blanchard, tuttle area in the late 1800's. I've worked to improve things - have you? Maybe if a few of you went to Louisiana both states collective IQ's would increase.

A lot of people get rather carried away with intelligence and the proof is in the tapioca. Do all people have their heart in a good place? Surely not. If a person does not have their heart in a good place then what does it matter what their intelligence is? Agree?

 

[coolm]

A lot of people get rather carried away with intelligence and the proof is in the tapioca. Do all people have their heart in a good place? Surely not. If a person does not have their heart in a good place then what does it matter what their intelligence is? Agree?

their heart in a good place? what does that mean? are okies friendly? sure. so are texans. georgians were also. while seattle-ans (??) are harder to get to know, I liked my neighbors and the people in port orchard. northern californians? meh. southern californians? san diego people were cool, LA not so much. it all varies widely.

 

[sheepdogs1]

their heart in a good place? what does that mean? are okies friendly? sure. so are texans. georgians were also. while seattle-ans (??) are harder to get to know, I liked my neighbors and the people in port orchard. northern californians? meh. southern californians? san diego people were cool, LA not so much. it all varies widely.

People who are self absorbed, people who are petty, vindictive, selfish as opposed to selfless. People who think everything revolves around them. People who are con artists and deceitful, who take advantage of others, and use them as if they were a nothing but a wash rag. Those who are greedy. People who are irresponsible and incalcitrant. People who are blinded by the truth. Believe me, there's more than one.

 

[thebigabd]

People who are self absorbed, people who are petty, vindictive, selfish as opposed to selfless. People who think everything revolves around them. People who are con artists and deceitful, who take advantage of others, and use them as if they were a nothing but a wash rag. Those who are greedy. People who are irresponsible and incalcitrant. People who are blinded by the truth. Believe me, there's more than one.

You just described the President.

 

[BCSooners]

You just described the President.

Yeah it was too easy.

 

[MJSooner]

That's a weird way of putting. The "means" are just words. EVERY President should be mostly judged by the results. The tangible stuff. All the other stuff is just noise.

Ends justifying the means would be like if he started a war with Europe to get us out of the Paris climate change agreement. But he didn't do something crazy to get us out, he just got us out.

I grew up during a time where one of the biggest sayings was "sticks and stones can break my bones but WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME." We should get back to that way of living. Everybody gets so butt-hurt over WORDS these days.

Seems like we have come full circle as we had this conversation a week or so ago on this thread.

Words matter. You can't have it both ways. If you feel words lead and inspire, like Neil Armstrong, Winston Churchill, George Bush on the rubble of 9/11 or Ronald Reagan telling Gorbachev to tear down this wall, then you have to accept hateful, demeaning or selfish egotist words matter too.

As far as judging a President by his results, I agree with you. Trump has done many things he has said he would do. But it is his method that doesn't always match with what he promised or his words. For example, drain the swamp, but yet his cabinet and people around him have been as "swampy" as any others, including our own Scott Pruitt. He said Mexico will pay for the wall but tries to get it appropriated through Congress. He said he would eliminate so many personal tax brackets, but in the tax plan, personal tax brackets stayed the same. He said he would eliminate Obamacare and keep guarantees for preexisting conditions, but the Justice Department is looking to eliminate both of those in court after Congress failed to reform. Like every politician, he has broken a LOT of campaign promises, but the things he has done he said he would do. It's just the methodology that doesn't help our country.

Look, I am a conservative who likes many of his policies. But to say his words and how he does things doesn't matter is the antithesis of the definition of a leader and leadership. The problem with politics right now in this country is everything is tribalism. You support the extremes or those in power or you are an idiot.

I think bigabd left out one category in his definition and categorization of political ideology, and that is where I would put myself in- a pragmatic conservative constitutionalist. This is someone that respects the institution and principles that have made our constitution hold up for 230+ years. One who believes in conservative principles both politically and socially, but accepts that partnership with those of all ideologies is needed to get things done in this country. I would call this center-right, which bigabd left out.

In a President, we should be able to have both- results and leadership.