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MJSooner said:
As a center-center/right voter, the policies I think have been good have nothing to do with those traits you mention, and I don't disagree with your description with some of his policies.

But as an Oklahoman, deregulation has helped some of our businesses. Renegotiating NAFTA was good or better for American businesses. As a conservative, I like having more conservatives in our judicial system, not just at the Supreme Court level. Labor decisions now no longer favor just unions, like the Hobby Lobby case, businesses win too. We have pared back welfare support in the US. Saying you like some of his policies doesn't mean you support his racial antics, his attitudes toward women, or attitude toward the environment, or cozying up to autocrats. I support none of those. Saying you support some of his policies doesn't even mean you support him either.

Again, political tribalism means that you support one or the other. I don't think that is the way the majority of Americans are. If I don't support AOC or Bernie, it doesn't mean I love Trump. If I disagree with Trump, it doesn't mean I am a liberal.

We need to get back to the time and philosophy that politics are opinions and ideals, not die-hard tribes
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Your political compass points in a direction free of bias. If I ever get lost when camping (a metaphor for life here) I'm calling on you to bail me out, but please remember to bring smores with you!
 
MJSooner said:
As a center-center/right voter, the policies I think have been good have nothing to do with those traits you mention, and I don't disagree with your description with some of his policies.

But as an Oklahoman, deregulation has helped some of our businesses. Renegotiating NAFTA was good or better for American businesses. As a conservative, I like having more conservatives in our judicial system, not just at the Supreme Court level. Labor decisions now no longer favor just unions, like the Hobby Lobby case, businesses win too. We have pared back welfare support in the US. Saying you like some of his policies doesn't mean you support his racial antics, his attitudes toward women, or attitude toward the environment, or cozying up to autocrats. I support none of those. Saying you support some of his policies doesn't even mean you support him either.

Again, political tribalism means that you support one or the other. I don't think that is the way the majority of Americans are. If I don't support AOC or Bernie, it doesn't mean I love Trump. If I disagree with Trump, it doesn't mean I am a liberal.

We need to get back to the time and philosophy that politics are opinions and ideals, not die-hard tribes
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MsProudSooner said:
You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.
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You are wrong. He lowered taxes for a lot of people making less than $50k/year. Insurance prices have started going down a little with his removal of the requirement for all folks to have insurance. Maybe you missed the unemployment numbers from his SOTU speech. Unemployment amongst African Americans is as low as it's ever been. Overall unemployment is (was) at near record lows. This isn't just about the stock market, it's about having jobs in the states for American workers. It's about lowering the numbers of those dependent on welfare. ALL of that is good for the country, and mostly good for lower and lower-middle class America.

The thing I laugh at the most when it comes to Trump is the claims of racism. That false narrative was created and has taken off like a locomotive. Dude has never done or said a single word about African Americans that should qualify him as racist, but a lot of them hate him. And closing the southern border isn't a race issue either. It's a safety issue. Closing that border doesn't just keep Mexicans out. It keeps South Americans out. It keeps Asians out. It keeps WHITE Europeans that don't have a legal right to be here out. It's funny.....I've seen clips where "reporters" go up to groups of people and read a quote about closing the border. These groups of often young or liberal folks just go off, claiming racism and all kinds of stuff. Then it's revealed that the quote was actually something Obama or said. Or it was something that Bill or Hillary Clinton said. And you should see the looks on their faces. Crazy. People latch onto stuff these days and refuse to fact check it or take it at it's true value. That is both sides, not just dems. But this racism thing is just dumb. Really, really dumb.
 
WTSooner said:
That comment alone shows how out of touch you are.
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That comment alone shows how out of touch with history you are. Additionally, his accomplishments are historically unimportant at best, other than appointing some conservative Supreme Court justices.

You think the tax policy is going to stand the test of time? It will get overturned at the next power change. Updating already existing trade deals? Very important and embarrassing they were able to stay out of date for so long, but it's not like anything groundbreaking was done.

What he calls "rebuilding the military" is just a bunch of hot air for the most part.. Its hyperbole. The US military was already the best fighting force in the world, by a wide margin. So he "rebuilt" it from #1 to, more #1? He increased defense spending, that it. Procurement levels on weapons isn't much different at all.. Many (myself included) don't even think that's a good thing. It's just a political tactic because his base likes to flex the military muscle. Military = patriotism. If you say you don't want more military spending, you are painted as unpatriotic.

On top of that, his administration is a list of people who have no business being in their jobs, by any measure.

The person in charge of education in his Administration, Betsy Devos, doesn't even support public schools. She is not fit for the job she has.

The guy in charge of HUD is a brain surgeon who just happens to be a black guy.

Rick Perry was secretary of Energy.... for some reason?

The head of the Environmental Protection Agency is a coal lobbyist, lol.

All the military people (Mattis, McMaster, John Kelly, etc) all got run off because they aren't yes men.

The secretary of HHS is a pharmaceutical lobbyist who's company (that he was in charge of) tripled the cost of insulin and is involved in a class action lawsuit for exploiting the drug pricing system, and was fined by Mexico for the same reason.

The Secretary of Labor, Eugene Scalia... "During his career in private practice, Scalia has a long record of defending major corporations against financial and labor regulations"...

I could go on, but it's an embarrassing administration of people who want to tear down the departments they lead. These guys don't have your interest at heart. It's a dysfunctional administration that has had a lot of turnover and controversy.
 
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WTSooner said:
You are wrong. He lowered taxes for a lot of people making less than $50k/year. Insurance prices have started going down a little with his removal of the requirement for all folks to have insurance. Maybe you missed the unemployment numbers from his SOTU speech. Unemployment amongst African Americans is as low as it's ever been. Overall unemployment is (was) at near record lows. This isn't just about the stock market, it's about having jobs in the states for American workers. It's about lowering the numbers of those dependent on welfare. ALL of that is good for the country, and mostly good for lower and lower-middle class America.

The thing I laugh at the most when it comes to Trump is the claims of racism. That false narrative was created and has taken off like a locomotive. Dude has never done or said a single word about African Americans that should qualify him as racist, but a lot of them hate him. And closing the southern border isn't a race issue either. It's a safety issue. Closing that border doesn't just keep Mexicans out. It keeps South Americans out. It keeps Asians out. It keeps WHITE Europeans that don't have a legal right to be here out. It's funny.....I've seen clips where "reporters" go up to groups of people and read a quote about closing the border. These groups of often young or liberal folks just go off, claiming racism and all kinds of stuff. Then it's revealed that the quote was actually something Obama or said. Or it was something that Bill or Hillary Clinton said. And you should see the looks on their faces. Crazy. People latch onto stuff these days and refuse to fact check it or take it at it's true value. That is both sides, not just dems. But this racism thing is just dumb. Really, really dumb.
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The following link is to the FBI which shows hate crime statistics in the good ole USA.

60% of our population is White. 13% of our population is black. In 2016 white people committed hate crime which was 23% below its population base while at the same time black people committed hate crime which was TWICE their respective population base. This is 100% above their population base.

Yet white liberals will, on a daily basis, call out whitey as being devoutly racist and turn a blind eye on the ethnicity which commits hate crimes well above their population base.

Black people vote 93% vote democratic. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White liberals will trash their own race and at the same time not call out blacks so as to not antagonize their voting base. They are in such fear that if they call out blacks for being racist it will cause black democratic voters to jump ship and climb aboard the other ship. If the democratic party lost the black vote it would be party over, literally, for the democrats.

And we are supposed to believe that these cats are virtuous,moralistic and ethical in tone. Bullcrap! They are convenience whores. The "party of convenience" strikes yet again.

As an individual I have the right to look at a scale and decipher if 10 lbs is heavier or lighter than 5 lbs. I also have the same right to look at a thermometer and decipher if 86 degrees is warmer or cooler than 12 degrees. This is not, and I repeat not a black versus white issue or a white versus black issue, but it is an ACCEPTANCE OF THE TRUTH VERSUS A FLAT OUT REJECTION OF IT!


https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/topic-pages/offenders


8 years of data:https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes
 
thebigabd said:
That comment alone shows how out of touch with history you are. Additionally, his accomplishments are historically unimportant at best, other than appointing some conservative Supreme Court justices.

You think the tax policy is going to stand the test of time? It will get overturned at the next power change. Updating already existing trade deals? Very important and embarrassing they were able to stay out of date for so long, but it's not like anything groundbreaking was done.

What he calls "rebuilding the military" is just a bunch of hot air for the most part.. Its hyperbole. The US military was already the best fighting force in the world, by a wide margin. So he "rebuilt" it from #1 to, more #1? He increased defense spending, that it. Procurement levels on weapons isn't much different at all.. Many (myself included) don't even think that's a good thing. It's just a political tactic because his base likes to flex the military muscle. Military = patriotism. If you say you don't want more military spending, you are painted as unpatriotic.

On top of that, his administration is a list of people who have no business being in their jobs, by any measure.

The person in charge of education in his Administration, Betsy Devos, doesn't even support public schools. She is not fit for the job she has.

The guy in charge of HUD is a brain surgeon who just happens to be a black guy.

Rick Perry was secretary of Energy.... for some reason?

The head of the Environmental Protection Agency is a coal lobbyist, lol.

All the military people (Mattis, McMaster, John Kelly, etc) all got run off because they aren't yes men.

The secretary of HHS is a pharmaceutical lobbyist who's company (that he was in charge of) tripled the cost of insulin and is involved in a class action lawsuit for exploiting the drug pricing system, and was fined by Mexico for the same reason.

The Secretary of Labor, Eugene Scalia... "During his career in private practice, Scalia has a long record of defending major corporations against financial and labor regulations"...

I could go on, but it's an embarrassing administration of people who want to tear down the departments they lead. These guys don't have your interest at heart. It's a dysfunctional administration that has had a lot of turnover and controversy.
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Everyone is replaceable in life for starters. Secondly, when you are surrounded by good people this offsets those who are not perfect and this applies to the people you listed who have/had a title in their name. It doesn't just revolve around them for they each, literally, have hundreds of well qualified people doing the hardest work for them and that is how the job gets done. It really is.


Instead of "talking points" shared by many why don't you stand on your own two feet and think for yourself. Try it you'll like it. I know I would.
 
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WTSooner said:
.....Unemployment amongst African Americans is as low as it's ever been. Overall unemployment is (was) at near record lows. This isn't just about the stock market, it's about having jobs in the states for American workers......

....The thing I laugh at the most when it comes to Trump is the claims of racism. That false narrative was created and has taken off like a locomotive...

....People latch onto stuff these days and refuse to fact check it or take it at it's true value. That is both sides, not just dems. But this racism thing is just dumb. Really, really dumb.
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Not that this virus outbreak can be blamed on any politician, but one can't really take credit for unemployment and the stock market.... just as long as it was before February 19th.

Presidents get too much credit and too much blame for economic cycles and financial markets. Simply saying low unemployment or the market is up 38% is because of Trump may be as equally undeserving as saying it is now bad because of him. Now if you were to cite to me what Trump specifically did to make unemployment lower for Black Americans, what did he specifically to increase wages, or what policies of his increased the financial markets, then I would be impressed and buy-in to your claims that it was Trump, not just market cycles.

Also, it is hard for me as a white American to say what is racist or what is not. I would leave that to the groups that are impacted. What percentage of Blacks, or Asians, or Hispanics say that Trump or his policies are racist, that would be more meaningful to me. Not what White Americans think is racist or not.

Finally, you are absolutely correct that people just latch onto things and just accept it as truth. It is on both sides. It seems like everyone spouts of facts off either Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow, with no self-thinking in between.
Some of the things you mentioned sounded like the Republican Committee talking points, just as sheepdogs said about bigabd and his criticisms being talking points from the left.

We all need to be informed- about this virus, about our country and about our leaders.
 
BoulderSooner said:
by the end of this year 1/4 of all federal judges will be trump appointed


when he gets a second term that might go to 1/2
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These are the things that shape our country more so than who he appoints as Chief of Staff or what he does with reopening our country from restrictions.

I guarantee you, it is also why those center or right of center on the political spectrum swallowed hard and voted for him over Hillary, and may do the same again in November.
 
sheepdogs1 said:
Your political compass points in a direction free of bias. If I ever get lost when camping (a metaphor for life here) I'm calling on you to bail me out, but please remember to bring smores with you!
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Bias and political bias is fine and normal. It would be what I call conviction. Aligning with someone solely because you think the other side is wrong 100% of the time is not bias, that is the political tribalism we have now.

Gone are the days with Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill worked on things like the Tax Act and Social Security for the good of the country. Gone are the days when Bill Clinton worked with Newt Gingrich on welfare reform, for the good of the country. They worked together, despite their biases. Now we have our leaders not willing to talk to each other because of their biases and vitriol.

That is why I made my point about words from our political leaders. What is wrong with wanting a President who can do both policy AND leadership. Our country needs it.
 
MJSooner said:
Bias and political bias is fine and normal. It would be what I call conviction. Aligning with someone solely because you think the other side is wrong 100% of the time is not bias, that is the political tribalism we have now.

Gone are the days with Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill worked on things like the Tax Act and Social Security for the good of the country. Gone are the days when Bill Clinton worked with Newt Gingrich on welfare reform, for the good of the country. They worked together, despite their biases. Now we have our leaders not willing to talk to each other because of their biases and vitriol.

That is why I made my point about words from our political leaders. What is wrong with wanting a President who can do both policy AND leadership. Our country needs it.
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What I meant by non-bias was the ability to be a free thinker instead of getting wrapped up in what others think and following the herd. And I still want my smores.


And when the opposing party is awaiting to catch you for not flushing after using the facilities, so as grounds to impeach you, then everything falls by the way side.
 
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MJSooner said:
Also, it is hard for me as a white American to say what is racist or what isn’t.
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No it isn’t..... that is part of the problem.

What about hiring someone solely based on ethnicity? Would you consider that racist?
 
coolm said:
oh really? the entire free world considers him a piece of dung yet WE are the ones out of touch? sure. you're delusional.
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LOL. That’s not true but carry on with your rage dude
 
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