March Madness and Covid-19

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For what its worth, I have a co-worker whose wife works at a hospital in the Harrisburg PA area.

She was told the strain in New York is the L strain, the same one found Italy. There are 18 strains and this is supposed to be the worst one.

According to localized, on-the-ground Italian stats, if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is zero chance of resuscitation. 60 and over are not getting ventilators.
 
paboomersooner said:
For what its worth, I have a co-worker whose wife works at a hospital in the Harrisburg PA area.

She was told the strain in New York is the L strain, the same one found Italy. There are 18 strains and this is supposed to be the worst one.

According to localized, on-the-ground Italian stats, if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is zero chance of resuscitation. 60 and over are not getting ventilators.
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Wow, interesting information. Sucks, but interesting.
 
paboomersooner said:
For what its worth, I have a co-worker whose wife works at a hospital in the Harrisburg PA area.

She was told the strain in New York is the L strain, the same one found Italy. There are 18 strains and this is supposed to be the worst one.

According to localized, on-the-ground Italian stats, if a patient goes into cardiac arrest, there is zero chance of resuscitation. 60 and over are not getting ventilators.
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Yikes!

Makes a lot of sense, there being different strains that have different levels of potency.
 
AdaSooner said:
Pelosi is nothing more than a Democratic pawn, an easy-to-maneuver spokesperson for the likes of Chuck Schumer and Adam Schiff. She was good at her job once, but not now.

I agree that Trump is not an “ideal” leader. But his flaws center more around his narcissistic personality that leads him to make diarrhea of the mouth mistakes, and to make dumb tweets without engaging his brain to think about the public’s perception of what he has to say.

I don’t have much of a problem with Trump as a leader. He has done and is still doing (or at least trying to do) exactly what he promised during his campaign. And, thanks to the aforementioned Democrats and their cronies, it hasn’t been easy.

But, to his credit, he has stayed the course despite the odds and delivered on most of what he said he would do. That, and the fact my own party can’t seem to find a candidate worthy of my vote, is why DR will get the nod from me again in November.
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This is where I strongly disagree. I believe he’s an embarrassment and will be a stain of divide in US history. His main talking points on all his debates haven’t been addressed; wall, health care, swamp, etc.
 
I have a few minutes so I'll give you guys an update. Things are kind of a clusterf*ck, after all that work yesterday they've decided to cancel the drive-thru collection stations until we get testing in-house. No idea when that will be. I've been in planning meetings most of the day, but it's frustrating because things are so fluid. The main problem being that upper management thinks they know how things work, but the devil is in the details. Anyway, back to the grind. Stay home everyone.
 
steverocks35 said:
I have a few minutes so I'll give you guys an update. Things are kind of a clusterf*ck, after all that work yesterday they've decided to cancel the drive-thru collection stations until we get testing in-house. No idea when that will be. I've been in planning meetings most of the day, but it's frustrating because things are so fluid. The main problem being that upper management thinks they know how things work, but the devil is in the details. Anyway, back to the grind. Stay home everyone.
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Stay safe Steve.
 
BCSooners said:
His main talking points on all his debates haven’t been addressed; wall, health care, swamp, etc.
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Uhh.....I'd say the biggest one is the economy. He had it humming along like it hasn't in decades, if not ever. People were working. Welfare at record lows.

It's not easy to make big, sweeping changes at that level. Very few do. I guess Obama had Obama Care, but not much else. For Trump, in a lot of ways, it's the things he managed to NOT change. Rolled back some of the energy restrictions (I don't think that's a bad thing). Hasn't given in to the gun restriction talk. Isn't looking to relax the law on abortions. All of that comes across as "inaction", but it's really action to the conservatives.
 
I don’t have much of a problem with Trump as a leader. He has done and is still doing (or at least trying to do) exactly what he promised during his campaign. And, thanks to the aforementioned Democrats and their cronies, it hasn’t been easy.
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That is always the case. It's actually a critical design flaw in our system, depending on how you look at it. Observe:

GOP Example
Trump passes a new tax policy. The very next Democratic administration will overturn it. Probably in a drastic way. His change was drastic, and the reversal will be drastic.

Democrat Example
The Democrats passed Obamacare, and the GOP did everything possible to sabotage it. I don't like Obamacare, as I want a universal healthcare system like every other developed country on the planet (literally), but it was still sabotaged. A group of 40 congressmen (20 Dems, 20 Republicans) got together with ways to fix Obamacare.

  • Provide mandatory funding for "cost sharing reduction" payments to insurance companies to hold down out-of-pocket costs such as deductibles and co-payments in Obamacare plans
  • Create a stability fund that states can use to reduce premiums and limit insurer losses, especially for people with pre-existing conditions
  • Change the mandate that employers provide coverage to apply only to companies with 500 or more employees, compared with the current 50-employee threshold, and define a full-time workweek as 40 hours, up from 30 hours
  • Repeal the 2.3% sales tax on medical devices
  • Modify sections of the Affordable Care Act to make it easier for states to innovate and enter into compacts to allow for the sale of coverage across state lines
  • Offer Health Savings Accounts through the ACA

But the GOP doesn't want to fix Obamacare, they want things to get worse so they can put it back the way it was.

If you legit wanted to make things better, you would implement those fixes... Then assess. Then you implement more fixes... Then assess. Rinse, wash, repeat. You cant pass massive legislation without some problems.

GOP Example
The GOP, under Bush, banned federal dollars from being used in Stem Cell research. When Obama came into power, he overturned it.

Democrat Example
Democrats eased restrictions on Cuba.... the GOP put them right back on.

We lack a national direction, consistency, etc. And because the sides are so opposite, every election cycle swings things hard in another direction, only to reverse after the next election cycle.

A friend of mine once asked me..... "What is your biggest fear with universal healthcare?"..... My answer was "sabotage".... It will be underfunded, cut at the knees... line by line, at every opportunity.

The only reason the GOP hasn't done that with Social Security fully yet is because people are so used to it now they can't take it away. They hate it, but it's so popular. They will try to let it fail on it's own, even though there are easy fixes for Social Security. They just don't want to fix it.
 
thebigabd said:
That is always the case. It's actually a critical design flaw in our system, depending on how you look at it. Observe:

GOP Example
Trump passes a new tax policy. The very next Democratic administration will overturn it. Probably in a drastic way. His change was drastic, and the reversal will be drastic.

Democrat Example
The Democrats passed Obamacare, and the GOP did everything possible to sabotage it. I don't like Obamacare, as I want a universal healthcare system like every other developed country on the planet (literally), but it was still sabotaged. A group of 40 congressmen (20 Dems, 20 Republicans) got together with ways to fix Obamacare.

  • Provide mandatory funding for "cost sharing reduction" payments to insurance companies to hold down out-of-pocket costs such as deductibles and co-payments in Obamacare plans
  • Create a stability fund that states can use to reduce premiums and limit insurer losses, especially for people with pre-existing conditions
  • Change the mandate that employers provide coverage to apply only to companies with 500 or more employees, compared with the current 50-employee threshold, and define a full-time workweek as 40 hours, up from 30 hours
  • Repeal the 2.3% sales tax on medical devices
  • Modify sections of the Affordable Care Act to make it easier for states to innovate and enter into compacts to allow for the sale of coverage across state lines
  • Offer Health Savings Accounts through the ACA

But the GOP doesn't want to fix Obamacare, they want things to get worse so they can put it back the way it was.

If you legit wanted to make things better, you would implement those fixes... Then assess. Then you implement more fixes... Then assess. Rinse, wash, repeat. You cant pass massive legislation without some problems.

GOP Example
The GOP, under Bush, banned federal dollars from being used in Stem Cell research. When Obama came into power, he overturned it.

Democrat Example
Democrats eased restrictions on Cuba.... the GOP put them right back on.

We lack a national direction, consistency, etc. And because the sides are so opposite, every election cycle swings things hard in another direction, only to reverse after the next election cycle.

A friend of mine once asked me..... "What is your biggest fear with universal healthcare?"..... My answer was "sabotage".... It will be underfunded, cut at the knees... line by line, at every opportunity.

The only reason the GOP hasn't done that with Social Security fully yet is because people are so used to it now they can't take it away. They hate it, but it's so popular. They will try to let it fail on it's own, even though there are easy fixes for Social Security. They just don't want to fix it.
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Surgeon from Johns Hopkins take on national healthcare (just focus on his words and not the interviewer). Go to the 9 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMwEZaXlcrY
 
steverocks35 said:
I have a few minutes so I'll give you guys an update. Things are kind of a clusterf*ck, after all that work yesterday they've decided to cancel the drive-thru collection stations until we get testing in-house. No idea when that will be. I've been in planning meetings most of the day, but it's frustrating because things are so fluid. The main problem being that upper management thinks they know how things work, but the devil is in the details. Anyway, back to the grind. Stay home everyone.
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Good advice, especially if you’re in the high risk category.

My wife and I have watched a lot of movies in the last two weeks. No one comes into our house except for our daughter, and even she takes every precaution possible, including leaving our groceries in the garage sometimes for us to pick up later.

We don’t even let our grandchildren in the house. Talk about hard! Is that overkill on our part? Could be, this is all new to us. I know one thing, we’re ready for this craziness to be over so we can get back to a normal life!
 
AdaSooner said:
Good advice, especially if you’re in the high risk category.

My wife and I have watched a lot of movies in the last two weeks. No one comes into our house except for our daughter, and even she takes every precaution possible, including leaving our groceries in the garage sometimes for us to pick up later.

We don’t even let our grandchildren in the house. Talk about hard! Is that overkill on our part? Could be, this is all new to us. I know one thing, we’re ready for this craziness to be over so we can get back to a normal life!
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It will allow you savor the things in which you took for granted and we know there was a lot of that!
 
sheepdogs1 said:
Surgeon from Johns Hopkins take on national healthcare (just focus on his words and not the interviewer). Go to the 9 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMwEZaXlcrY
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I will try to watch that, but I've done so much research on universal healthcare its not even funny.. Multiple books read, tons of research, conversations with people I know from Europe, South Korea, and Japan, etc. It's not like I just watched some political advertisement and don't know what it is, the strengths, the weaknesses, etc.
 
stormspencer said:
Dyson and his team have some brilliant engineering and innovative minds. He turned the vacuum cleaner industry on its head a while back. Now, you almost never seen a "bag vacuum cleaner" anymore.
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The hospitals will be as clean as a whistle and sound like one, too.
 
thebigabd said:
I will try to watch that, but I've done so much research on universal healthcare its not even funny.. Multiple books read, tons of research, conversations with people I know from Europe, South Korea, and Japan, etc. It's not like I just watched some political advertisement and don't know what it is, the strengths, the weaknesses, etc.
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You have the professional take (know well) versus the other side (mean well). The dichotomy at play can often cause a misunderstanding of the problem at hand and thus the appropriate solution.
 
BoulderSooner said:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epid...admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model

edidemiologist thinks his numbers were very wrong

now the UK thinks they have plenty of ICU beds ( note the USA has the most ICU beds per capita)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...e-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/
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I had a sense this would be the case for a while....no science on my part, just an intuitive feel I guess. I expected most of these models would be worst case scenario....so I didn't pay too much attention to the appx death counts. I wish we could have a little more transparency when it comes to these predictive models. For instance, what is the "sliding scale" regarding mortality according to their models?

Above all else, I believe we need some type of formula that gives us an idea of when we can open things back up for general business based upon a "case/mortality mix". At least something relatively solid that gives us a quantitative indication. It may be out there.....but I haven't seen it yet.

As a side note regarding Italy, I learned that the country has one of the highest percentages of adults (20-39) that live with their parents....it's just under 25%. Compare that to the US, where the same age group co-habitating with their parents is just over 6%. This seems to be yet another component that is painting Italy as more of an outlier.
 
sheepdogs1 said:
Surgeon from Johns Hopkins take on national healthcare (just focus on his words and not the interviewer). Go to the 9 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMwEZaXlcrY
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Great interview! I watched it last week.

Impressive young man! It’s obvious he’s not a fan of national healthcare. I worked in a hospital for more than two decades, so I know a little about our healthcare system. The red tape alone is already a nightmare! I shudder to think what it would be like if a committee of bureaucrats was in charge of critical decisions affecting my family’s health and well being. Why would anyone in their right mind want the federal government more involved in our lives than they are now?
 
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