March Madness and Covid-19

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WTSooner said:
Is that what he thinks? Or does he think those over 65 should be the ones taking extreme precautions to protect themselves, and not have that mandated over the rest of the population?
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Yes, at least in certain areas, we need to move on from onerous lockdowns to individual case-based mitigation.
 
Stikboy said:
Not from Facebook. But to be honest, i've seen a few doctors on Facebook copy and paste articles and graphs from others. I have a good friend who's a doctor that seemingly grabs whatever article he can find to back his narrative that anyone who says the US should open up anything any time soon is a moron, and he seems irritated that non doctors have any opinion at all... He is the expert! Yet, when I ask him to delve with any depth, disprove/debunk, or argue anything that i've set in front of him(articles, etc) medically or scientifically, he can't do it and seems to get frustrated. And that's what is frustrating alot of people right now. It seems like alot of doctors are following the herd(pun not intended) and aren't thinking for themselves, or are following some weird directive. It seems to be really split in many cases along political lines. Many of these shut down "experts" seem to get really irritated and frustrated, even mad when questioned on their opinion. That's what has many normal, common sense every day Americans with their antennas up. Just because you didn't go to medical school doesn't mean you can't have an intelligent opinion about something and can't detect bull****.

I think people dying from this is horrible. Anyone dying from anything is horrible. But there's alot surrounding alot of this that really stinks and if you can't see it you really have your head buried in the sand. It's really brought out the worst in alot of people, which is sad. I pray for our country..
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A few things I would say:

1) In terms of COVID, "doctor" is a very broad term. The vast majority of specialties do not manage COVID patients (surgery, derm, OBGYN, psych, etc). However, among those that do -- medical management really can't be questioned by those without a medical degree.

2) Most physicians don't have degrees/experience in politics, the economy, etc. Thus, nobody truly exists as the ultimate authority -- it has to be a group effort with intelligent people from multiple fields. I'm willing to bet that nobody on here is capable of managing a COVID patient better than me, but I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert on how to deal with this thing politically. I know this is bad for the economy, but I don't know what the best measures are to mitigate this. This is a balancing act that can't be solved by one person.
 
Eielson said:
A few things I would say:

1) In terms of COVID, "doctor" is a very broad term. The vast majority of specialties do not manage COVID patients (surgery, derm, OBGYN, psych, etc). However, among those that do -- medical management really can't be questioned by those without a medical degree.

2) Most physicians don't have degrees/experience in politics, the economy, etc. Thus, nobody truly exists as the ultimate authority -- it has to be a group effort with intelligent people from multiple fields. I'm willing to bet that nobody on here is capable of managing a COVID patient better than me, but I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert on how to deal with this thing politically. I know this is bad for the economy, but I don't know what the best measures are to mitigate this. This is a balancing act that can't be solved by one person.
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Along those same lines neither of those areas of expertise you list knows how to deal with emergent procedures necessary to stop contagions or contaminants. That's not just inherent knowledge.
 
coolm said:
Along those same lines neither of those areas of expertise you list knows how to deal with emergent procedures necessary to stop contagions or contaminants. That's not just inherent knowledge.
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Yes, I say to people fairly often that I'm only trained to manage COVID when patients present to the hospital. My training is not geared toward stopping transmission in the communities. However, we do get a smidge of that, and our knowledge of management in the hospital does have some carry-over (though if I had 10x the training for it, I'd still say I'm closer to clueless than an expert). The number of people trained for that are astronomically low. From what I've seen, MPH is nowhere near adequate.
 
Soonerinkc said:
lol damn man, (lady) read the article....he said HE would for HIS grandchildren...

but ya push the narrative the libs want.:woot
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I'll believe him when I see video of him volunteering in the hospitals with no protective gear.
 
Eielson said:
Yes, I say to people fairly often that I'm only trained to manage COVID when patients present to the hospital. My training is not geared toward stopping transmission in the communities. However, we do get a smidge of that, and our knowledge of management in the hospital does have some carry-over (though if I had 10x the training for it, I'd still say I'm closer to clueless than an expert). The number of people trained for that are astronomically low. From what I've seen, MPH is nowhere near adequate.
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I would agree that MPH is not adequate, but we have an entire industry that uses such techniques daily and practices emergent situations with much frequency. All of the radcon workers within the nuclear power industry are trained just for this type of emergency. They train and drill for years and years on these situations.
 
Saw where Oklahoma was one of the first states to switch to saliva-based COVID testing.
 
WTSooner said:
Saw where Oklahoma was one of the first states to switch to saliva-based COVID testing.
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you win some you lose some ... the old tests are sitting next to all those doses of quinine we purchased ahead of time.
 
coolm said:
you win some you lose some ... the old tests are sitting next to all those doses of quinine we purchased ahead of time.
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Must be exhausting being negative all the time. Sheesh.
 
coolm said:
you win some you lose some ... the old tests are sitting next to all those doses of quinine we purchased ahead of time.
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You sure whine a lot for a Buddhist. Try being more zen dude.
 
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