March Madness and Covid-19

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mict085 said:
It’s not a personal attack to call a whiner a whiner. Just making an observation.
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well then I guess it's also not an attack if I make a personal observation that you're a jacka$$. It sure feels and sounds like a personal attack though. I'm pretty sure that management would condemn it as such. So why don't we just all stop doing stuff like that?
 
Sooner04 said:
Look around this board. Normalcy is returning.
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I think Abbie rules here.......:o

And the locals are saying I can get tested anytime I want......but I just talked to my local doctor who said that they only have a limited number of tests....they go to only those that are probables.

And anyone know how much it would cost????

Just an essential worker wanting to know in case of the worst??
 
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Quite a bit in Tulsa is open for business today. Lots of debate about what we should be doing. Be interesting to see what happens over the next 2-3 weeks.
 
I dont disagree at all with opening things back up in these wide open spaces of the flyover states. Doing it on a state-by-state then city-by-city basis is wise to accommodate the urban and rural densities. I would fall more to the side of safety regarding public facilities, transportation, and services. But in OKC even it's pretty easy to protect yourself if you're wary and not stupid. I can't imagine making such a decision in more densely populated areas though. You wanna stay out of peoples' breathing space.
 
coolm said:
well then I guess it's also not an attack if I make a personal observation that you're a jacka$$. It sure feels and sounds like a personal attack though. I'm pretty sure that management would condemn it as such. So why don't we just all stop doing stuff like that?
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You should take your own advice. You frequently do this very thing but apparently you think you’re better than everyone else. You’re a damn hypocrite.
 
mict085 said:
You should take your own advice. You frequently do this very thing but apparently you think you’re better than everyone else. You’re a damn hypocrite.
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pretty sure I said "all".
 
coolm said:
I dont disagree at all with opening things back up in these wide open spaces of the flyover states. Doing it on a state-by-state then city-by-city basis is wise to accommodate the urban and rural densities. I would fall more to the side of safety regarding public facilities, transportation, and services. But in OKC even it's pretty easy to protect yourself if you're wary and not stupid. I can't imagine making such a decision in more densely populated areas though. You wanna stay out of peoples' breathing space.
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Agreed. In a majority of the country, it's perfectly logical to begin opening up more businesses at a limited capacity. At least here locally, an overwhelming majority of people are being responsible (wearing gear, keeping distance) that I've seen while I've been out and about.

People with underlying health conditions, immunity issues, and/or are over 65 should be very careful and probably limit being out. My parents are in their 70s, but are in relatively good health and don't give too much concern to it, yet they are taking precautions just in case. Again....it's a personal choice....as it should be.
 
stormspencer said:
Dr. Fauci has been talking about the end of Phase I study on Remdesivir....as a treatment. He is cautiously optimistic. All I have is the link below, but he mentioned that this study will be submitted to a peer-reviewed journal in regards to the initial findings and outcomes.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/gilead-says-critical-study-of-covid-19-drug-shows-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/
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It will be interesting to see the results released on this one. On the same day (or 1-2 days apart?) a pretty well designed study out of China showed Remdesevir was ineffective. This one was bigger (250 vs 1000 patients I believe), so that's reason for excitement. But also, it appears the company that stands to profit from this was heavily involved in the study...so that's reason for the opposite of excitement.

In the end, I'm not drawing any conclusions on remdesevir until I see the actual study. On the bright side, the China study suggested Remdesevir is at least safe.
 
Not weird at all, most deaths have been seasonal flu and pneumonia. That revised number will continue to decrease.
 
dksooner said:
Not weird at all, most deaths have been seasonal flu and pneumonia. That revised number will continue to decrease.
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We'll never know what the 'real' number is because we weren't adequately prepared to test everyone. But if 2020 ends up with 20,000 people with a cause of death being listed as 'pneumonia' and the average number of deaths from pneumonia over the past 10 years has been 10,000 you can bet that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted.
 
MsProudSooner said:
We'll never know what the 'real' number is because we weren't adequately prepared to test everyone. But if 2020 ends up with 20,000 people with a cause of death being listed as 'pneumonia' and the average number of deaths from pneumonia over the past 10 years has been 10,000 you can bet that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted.
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50k is the average. The sickest thing is those rooting for covid so they feel right or not lame for wearing mask
 
I haven’t been here much because I worked my ass off all week on Covid-19 related things. I see the numbers going up all over the country. Yesterday we had a 9/11 of Covid-19 deaths, about 3,000. And I still see people saying stupid sh!t comparing it to the flu or that the numbers aren’t correct. Well actually the numbers aren’t correct, the number of deaths from this are likely far higher than has been counted so far. You look at states like Iowa and Georgia, and you can see that the virus is on the move. We have had a small taste of it so far in Oklahoma but our number of cases is still on the rise. I don’t understand why people can’t even be bothered to wear a mask in public or social distance. Is that too much to ask? I am predicting a second wave, exactly like the 1918 pandemic. The differences between the two pandemics are that the Spanish flu in 1918 was not as deadly as Covid-19 but their medical care was not as advanced as ours is so it somewhat evens out.

Oh and here’s a good article about why you can’t really compare Covid-19 deaths to flu deaths, although stupid people keep doing it. If it seems like I’m frustrated it’s because I am. We have to be the least disciplined society in history.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
 
Numbers are going up in part because we're testing more. I've seen the data. A dude that works for us put together a very thorough analysis of the data we have, and presented it in a very unbiased way last week. Numbers are going up because we're testing more, but a lower percentage of those tested are testing positive.

Can't just look at the raw data and gain much from it, for a number of reasons. Bias. Inaccurate or inconsistent reporting. My co-worker did some smoothing by averaging weekly numbers, and by nearly every metric, the US, OK, and AR are all "improving."

https://rt.live/

And that graph is another big piece of positive news. We'll see how it changes with things opening up, but this thing never approached the R Naught of 3-5 that some on here were predicting back in March. It only reached 1.2 in a couple of states. Most states are below 1 currently which is good. That with pretty limited quarantine that some around here STILL say wasn't enough.

The misinformation around this thing is still crazy. There are some bad areas, yes. We are probably going to see a small 2nd wave with things re-opening, yes. And yes, there is still a need to avoid large gatherings. But most of the country, if you aren't in that 65 or older group, your odds of dying from this are pretty danged small. And there is still a lot of evidence (even if unproven at this time) to suggest a lot more folks than we currently know have been infected with this.
 
We’ve actually hit a wall on testing. This idea that we are testing massive amounts of people is just not true. I can’t even get myself or any of the staff tested, despite practically begging for it, and I work for the federal government. We need to double our testing, at least, maybe triple and also do massive contact tracing before we should think about “reopening.” But I realize that’s not going to happen.
 
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