March Madness and Covid-19

[steverocks35]

freaking out is about the worst thing the world could do

When I say "freak out" I mean take actions that they don't normally take for seasonal flu. Not literally freak out.

 

[sheepdogs1]

You cannot look at cumulative statistics, pull out a subsample that poses the best-case scenario by numbers, and then use it as proof the numbers are not "accurate", by saying "look at South Korea".

If so, I would say "Look at Italy".

And with feeling, it relates to demographic distribution. No?

 

[steverocks35]

There it is... San Francisco has banned all large gatherings including Golden State Warriors games. This is probably the first domino to fall.

 

[BoulderSooner]

You cannot look at cumulative statistics, pull out a subsample that poses the best-case scenario by numbers, and then use it as proof the numbers are not "accurate", by saying "look at South Korea".

If so, I would say "Look at Italy".

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/doc...has-been-circulating-unchecked-for-weeks.html

"But epidemiologists and state officials say the actual number of COVID-19 patients in the U.S. is likely in the thousands, maybe even tens of thousands"

the deaths on the other hand are not under reported (people here that are not sick are not getting tested)

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ates-suggest-covid-19-is-being-under-reported

"The number of cases each country reports depends both on the number of infections and on how many people get tested. By March 1st South Korea had tested over 100,000 people; America just 472"

 

[Max Power]

The NBA is having the Warriors and Nets play without fans tomorrow night according to Marc Stein

 

[steverocks35]

The NBA is having the Warriors and Nets play without fans tomorrow night according to Marc Stein

I don't see how the NCAA can play tournament games in arenas full of fans.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I don't see how the NCAA can play tournament games in arenas full of fans.

the same way the big 12 SEC acc big 10 all will this weeekend

 

[BoulderSooner]

by the way the USA is a little over a month behind china from case 1 china mid dec USA mid Jan

a month ago china had over 50,00 cases

but we are to belive that the USA only has 1000 in the same time frame ??

 

[steverocks35]

the same way the big 12 SEC acc big 10 all will this weeekend

It's like banging my head against the wall. The NCAA tournament starts in a couple of weeks when the pandemic will be even MORE widespread. The fear will be, rightly, that having large groups of people traveling across the country and congregating in one building will be a terrible idea in the middle of a deadly pandemic. Right now we are in the infant stages of this so regional tournaments in non-endemic areas are probably okay... probably.

 

[stormspencer]

When I say "freak out" I mean take actions that they don't normally take for seasonal flu. Not literally freak out.

I think another reason that Italy has taken the extreme measures that it has is because it has the second "oldest" population per capita in the world....if we are talking about large countries. I don't know all that went into their decision-making, but the risk of Italy being more susceptible per its population demographic probably has something to do with it as well.

 

[BoulderSooner]

You cannot look at cumulative statistics, pull out a subsample that poses the best-case scenario by numbers, and then use it as proof the numbers are not "accurate", by saying "look at South Korea".

If so, I would say "Look at Italy".

south korea is the only place that has tested a large number of people over 200k



italy also FYI has the second oldest population on earth

 

[MJSooner]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/doc...has-been-circulating-unchecked-for-weeks.html

"But epidemiologists and state officials say the actual number of COVID-19 patients in the U.S. is likely in the thousands, maybe even tens of thousands"

the deaths on the other hand are not under reported (people here that are not sick are not getting tested)

https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ates-suggest-covid-19-is-being-under-reported

"The number of cases each country reports depends both on the number of infections and on how many people get tested. By March 1st South Korea had tested over 100,000 people; America just 472"

Look at Italy- they've tested over 61,000 people and still have a death rate of approximately 6.7%. Again, pulling out the best-case scenario and assuming future numbers doesn't alter the accuracy of the current numbers. You said the current numbers were not accurate.

And as I said in an earlier post, not everyone that gets the common flu is tested either, so those numbers are not accurate according to your criteria.

 

[MJSooner]

south korea is the only place that has tested a large number of people over 200k



italy also FYI has the second oldest population on earth

My point exactly. That is why the CUMULATIVE number are accurate.

If I told you Austin Reaves was a high percentage 3 pt shooter, based on the fact he shot 50% against Tech or 67% against ISU, you would say "BS, look at his season stats, he is a 26% shooter. You can't pull out his best one or two games to make a point".

That is what average statistics are all about.

 

[steverocks35]

south korea is the only place that has tested a large number of people over 200k



italy also FYI has the second oldest population on earth

We also have one of, if not the most, obese populations on Earth, and obesity appears to be a strong risk factor. But I'm really tired of arguing with you about this. You don't know what you're talking about.

I expect the NCAA will do the right thing and play their games in empty arenas so the fans and players will be protected. The NBA is starting to do this now, as reported today. This pandemic is only getting started here.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Look at Italy- they've tested over 61,000 people and still have a death rate of approximately 6.7%. Again, pulling out the best-case scenario and assuming future numbers doesn't alter the accuracy of the current numbers. You said the current numbers were not accurate.

And as I said in an earlier post, not everyone that gets the common flu is tested either, so those numbers are not accurate according to your criteria.

italy also has the 2nd oldest population on earth and make no mistake this is really serious thing to get if you are old

 

[steverocks35]

italy also has the 2nd oldest population on earth and make no mistake this is really serious thing to get if you are old

Or obese, or a smoker, or immunosuppressed.. that's why healthy people should try not to catch it and spread it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

My point exactly. That is why the CUMULATIVE number are accurate.

If I told you Austin Reaves was a high percentage 3 pt shooter, based on the fact he shot 50% against Tech or 67% against ISU, you would say "BS, look at his season stats, he is a 26% shooter. You can't pull out his best one or two games to make a point".

That is what average statistics are all about.

except in this county only sick people are being tested ... which makes your analogy perfect ...

they are only counting the bad games .. . not the good ones ..

 

[MJSooner]

italy also has the 2nd oldest population on earth and make no mistake this is really serious thing to get if you are old

Agreed. A REALLY serious thing.

But back to my original point on post #328 that started this debate about accurate numbers. It is also a more serious thing than the flu for those under 60 as it is 10x more deadly in younger ages too.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I think another reason that Italy has taken the extreme measures that it has is because it has the second "oldest" population per capita in the world....if we are talking about large countries. I don't know all that went into their decision-making, but the risk of Italy being more susceptible per its population demographic probably has something to do with it as well.

Correctomundo (not Italiano is it) and some refuse to single out the obvious. Of the 125k reported cases no one here can state how many are obese vs non obese, elderly vs non elderly, smokers vs non smokers, cardiovascular issues vs non cardiovascular, children vs non children, respiratory issues vs non respiratory, immune deficiencies vs non immune deficiencies, male vs female. Facts matter and they know better, but for some odd, unknown reason they refuse to accept the obvious, yet they pound the table by utilizing a number they do not understand its compositional undertones. Yes, demographics actually matter.

No on here is stating there is nothing to be worried about, but irresponsibility is not a viable answer for that much is certain.

 

[steverocks35]

except in this county only sick people are being tested ... which makes your analogy perfect ...

they are only counting the bad games .. . not the good ones ..

Why on earth would they test someone who is not sick??? Even if it doesn't kill you, you get sick.