March Madness and Covid-19

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MJSooner said:
As this thread has now reached 55 pages, I was just thinking to the orgin of this thread... the NCAA tournament canceled ONLY 8 days ago.

And it was just 14 days ago that SXSW canceled, being the first major event in the US to cancel and the Indian Wells Tennis tournament became the first sporting event to cancel. It was also the same day the first case hit in Oklahoma, with a travel-related case in Tulsa.

How quickly things have changed and our way of life have been altered in such a short amount of time.
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I read some of the early hot takes, including some of my own, and had a nice chuckle
 
MJSooner said:
As this thread has now reached 55 pages, I was just thinking to the orgin of this thread... the NCAA tournament canceled ONLY 8 days ago.

And it was just 14 days ago that SXSW canceled, being the first major event in the US to cancel and the Indian Wells Tennis tournament became the first sporting event to cancel. It was also the same day the first case hit in Oklahoma, with a travel-related case in Tulsa.

How quickly things have changed and our way of life have been altered in such a short amount of time.
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Being a homebody has really come in handy. Raking up leaves has never looked so good.
 
MJSooner said:
As this thread has now reached 55 pages, I was just thinking to the orgin of this thread... the NCAA tournament canceled ONLY 8 days ago.

And it was just 14 days ago that SXSW canceled, being the first major event in the US to cancel and the Indian Wells Tennis tournament became the first sporting event to cancel. It was also the same day the first case hit in Oklahoma, with a travel-related case in Tulsa.

How quickly things have changed and our way of life have been altered in such a short amount of time.
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This is now the 2nd longest thread in board history, based on number of posts, behind the softball thread on the women's board that started right after the 2015 season...
 
Max Power said:
This is now the 2nd longest thread in board history, based on number of posts, behind the softball thread on the women's board that started right after the 2015 season...
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There's no stopping us. Upon further review.......
 
On my way to work in Tulsa today I noticed a ton of traffic and lots of full parking lots. People still aren't taking this seriously enough. I guess they are listening to our idiot governor.
 
steverocks35 said:
On my way to work in Tulsa today I noticed a ton of traffic and lots of full parking lots. People still aren't taking this seriously enough. I guess they are listening to our idiot governor.
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I have noticed little traffic in the city during weekdays. Since it is the weekend perhaps there are those who are utilizing this time to stock up on things.
 
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Notice how this respiratory therapist's perspective changed as his hospital in New Orleans got inundated with Covid-19 patients.

Also, now I see why if you get a severe case of this disease it decreases your lung function 20-30% for the rest of your life.

Edited to add: I say "the rest of your life" but nobody is for sure if it's permanent or not at this point. But doctors have noted a 20-30% decrease in lung function for people that recover from severe cases of the disease.
 
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steverocks35 said:
On my way to work in Tulsa today I noticed a ton of traffic and lots of full parking lots. People still aren't taking this seriously enough. I guess they are listening to our idiot governor.
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I live in Tulsa as well, and while I am now working remotely I took a drive with my wife just to see what things were like around town... looked pretty damn normal to me. Stores are full, parking lots still seem very occupied. In short, people aren't taking it seriously.

I was on the phone with a buddy of mine last night, and the difference of opinion is on display. He believes he might even have Covid-19 right now (he is a software consultant who has been on the road the 6 weeks), and has been laid up in bed since last Tuesday with a bad cough, body aches, etc... Anyway, he thinks nothing is more important than the economy and that the best course of action is to just let this run its course. Sure, implement social distancing but:

  • No testing unless absolutely necessary
  • No lock downs
  • No quarantines
  • No change in daily behavior other than basic hand hygiene and social distancing
  • No shutting down work environments
  • No government intervention at all
  • Let people decide on their own free will if they want to eat at a restaurant, etc.

He said, "worst case scenario, maybe 5% of the population dies... I would rather that happen than impoverish half the country by shutting the economy down"... He claims he is a Libertarian, but he is kind of a hybrid between a Libertarian and a conservative Republican. Graduate of the University of Texas.

Does anyone on this forum agree with that stance or have any specific thoughts on it?
 
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thebigabd said:
I live in Tulsa as well, and while I am now working remotely I took a drive with my wife just to see what things were like around town... looked pretty damn normal to me. Stores are full, parking lots still seem very occupied. In short, people aren't taking it seriously.

I was on the phone with a buddy of mine last night, and the difference of opinion is on display. He believes he might even have Covid-19 right now (he is a software consultant who has been on the road the 6 weeks), and has been laid up in bed since last Tuesday with a bad cough, body aches, etc... Anyway, he thinks nothing is more important than the economy and that the best course of action is to just let this run its course. Sure, implement social distancing but:

  • No testing unless absolutely necessary
  • No lock downs
  • No quarantines
  • No change in daily behavior other than basic hand hygiene and social distancing
  • No government intervention at all
  • Let people decide on their own free will if they want to eat at a restaurant, etc.

He said, "worst case scenario, maybe 5% of the population dies... I would rather that happen than impoverish half the country by shutting the economy down"... He claims he is a Libertarian, but he is kind of a hybrid between a Libertarian and a conservative Republican. Graduate of the University of Texas.

Does anyone on this forum agree with that stance or have any specific thoughts on it?
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I do not agree that we should stand by and let 5% of the population die, that's 15 million people! And are you telling me that we can find trillions and trillions of dollars for never-ending wars but we can't find that same money to prop up businesses and individuals when we are in the middle of a global crisis? We can, and we must.

The role of the government is to protect the population. It's the role of the government to tell stubborn people and stupid people what to do so they don't endanger the rest of us. If that means forcing them to stay home as much as possible for a couple of months, then so be it. Their rights end where the safety of others begins.
 
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steverocks35 said:
I do not agree that we should stand by at let 5% of the population die, that's 15 million people! And are you telling me that we can find trillions and trillions of dollars for never-ending wars but we can't find that same money to prop up businesses and individuals when we are in the middle of a global crisis? We can, and we must.
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Interesting point there... I wonder if we will see the govt do some things to free up money during this point.

Examples:
  • Shutting down foreign military bases ($30 billion per year)
  • Cancelling orders for F-35's and F-22's (about $10 billion per year)
  • Inputting wartime taxation that could generate $1 trillion per year (Republican estimates are that $1.4 trillion per year in tax revenue is lost due to different loopholes)
  • Completely not enforcing marijuana prohibition (about $10 billion per year)
  • Letting all non-violent offenders out of prison that are within a certain time-frame of their release date (unknown savings, but easy money)
  • Redirect tariff money to Covid-19 causes, but then you would have pissed off farmers.

They can free up lots of money pretty fast for this to make up for stimulus, especially with more progressive taxation. Other "easy money" decisions involve mass incarceration, military purchases, etc.

I could make a list much larger than this by the way that would be LOW IMPACT (on society) spending changes to help soften the blow.
 
thebigabd said:
Interesting point there... I wonder if we will see the govt do some things to free up money during this point.

Examples:
  • Shutting down foreign military bases ($30 billion per year)
  • Cancelling orders for F-35's and F-22's (about $10 billion per year)
  • Inputting wartime taxation that could generate $1 trillion per year (Republican estimates are that $1.4 trillion per year in tax revenue is lost due to different loopholes)
  • Completely not enforcing marijuana prohibition (about $10 billion per year)
  • Letting all non-violent offenders out of prison that are within a certain time-frame of their release date (unknown savings, but easy money)
  • Redirect tariff money to Covid-19 causes, but then you would have pissed off farmers.

They can free up lots of money pretty fast for this to make up for stimulus, especially with more progressive taxation. Other "easy money" decisions involve mass incarceration, military purchases, etc.

I could make a list much larger than this by the way that would be LOW IMPACT (on society) spending changes to help soften the blow.
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What you have proposed is very reasonable, but if you will notice, when we spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, offsets like these are never asked for. We "find" the money and nobody sacrifices except the people fighting the wars.
 
steverocks35 said:
What you have proposed is very reasonable, but if you will notice, when we spend trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, offsets like these are never asked for. We "find" the money and nobody sacrifices except the people fighting the wars.
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When wars are fought why would people expect bases and cancelling orders for military equipment be made?
 
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