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How are the twitter posts working out? Will we win a Big12 title in the next 3 or 4 years now we are re-energized?. I do like the two new coaches, quality hires.
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The OU program has definitely been headed in the wrong direction for several years but the pukes are not exactly upward bound as a program. For the past 3 years the record between the two teams is 3-3 for the last 5 years 5-5. The 3 year aggregate record for the two teams is OSU 66-31 and OU 61-36. Both teams are averaging better than 20 wins per year. However OSU has not had a sub 20 win season in the last 5 years. The Sooners have had 2.
Now Sherri has the team where the next two years are critical regarding where the program is headed long term. It is going to be interesting to see which direction we are headed. Regardless they are going to need our support to bolster their successes.
Now Sherri has the team where the next two years are critical regarding where the program is headed long term. It is going to be interesting to see which direction we are headed. Regardless they are going to need our support to bolster their successes.
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Agreed regarding the comparisons between OU & OSU. I'm going to watch and wait. One can hope the hiring of two new assistants will make a difference, but it's going to be tough to dig out of this hole and I don't really see anyone shoveling like they are digging for gold at this point. A twitter video is cute and creative, but when will the results surface? In reality, they are starting almost from scratch. Word travels relatively fast in basketball circles (college coaches/AAU-Club coaches/players/parents) and it seems top players/game changers are avoiding them like the plague. It's not rocket science...when you see the few top players they've had up and leave...not a good sign. I'm sure they got their fair share of "I told you so" phone calls when they decided to leave.
And considering how long it took to hire the assistants...that's not a good sign. Background checks and paperwork can be done within a few days. They probably received lots of resumes from up and comers (Stiles) as well as hanging on for dear lifers (Washington). I HOPE SC at least pursued former OU players; especially the ones who are current coaches not named Hook-Coale. It would have been nice (and helpful) to see at least one alum come back to coach. A program RECOVERY team of coaches is needed to rebuild and I don't think the current group have it. They needed a well known alum player and/or great recruiter (BBrown, DJackson-Durrett, SDales, CParis, AOlajuwon) who has been intimately connected...willing to come back and say "this program is important to us". Otherwise, you have to lure an assistant from UCONN, Louisville, ND, MS State, Baylor. Clearly, that's not happening. And it appears none of them (including Coale Inc.) had any top juco players in the hopper. The best have committed already. Good recruiters have a database of every top juco player by position and keep it updated whether they need them or not...you never know when an injury or transfer can creep up on you. It happens to the best of teams, but you have to be ready by having relationships already built with those players and the juco coaches.
Spock, this program has been heading in the wrong direction for more than "several years"...IMO. Severe recruiting mistakes were made as far back as 2006 and continually got worse. It finally caught up with them. Sad but true.
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You clearly dont know how things work... You think the job is posted on indeed and folks send in resumes...? Its agents and calls, interviews, etc. Not wait by an email and call them back...
I stopped reading after that.
LOL! Exactly my point. The types of coaches who would have their agent to initiate contact DO NOT WANT THE JOB.
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Youre clueless. Stiles was a good hire. Having a former HC on staff is a great hire.
Just type. " I Hate SC and even if they wouldve hired Geno Id still say it was bad"
Give me 3 people you wouldve been happy to hire?
LOL even more so! If you want to go down this path with me...let's do it. Humor me.
If you're setting up your program in the event of a HC retirement in about two years, those are GREAT hires for future interim head coach and assistant. If you're buying time because you know there is little hope for significant improvement in the next two seasons...then they are good hires. Next season...they might move up 1-3 spots in the conference. If a miracle were to happen and they sign the next coming of CParis, SDales, DRob, AParis, OAlajuwon in the next year...they'll meet Stanford in the Sweet 16 and play a few of their current freshmen instead. Remember, upperclassmen matter.
The only hires that would have made sense and given me any clue that it is important to revive the program would have been if DJackson-Durrett or BBrown were hired or CParis said she's not going back to Europe but to OU to get that NC she always wanted, then hit the Boo Williams tourney last weekend and got a commit from the top post player in the country yesterday. ONE former player and Stiles with Washington as Director of Player Development would have sent a hopeful message. And a good strategy.
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So you'd hire someone with no experience and hope they can recruit...?
or take 2 proven coaches?
We need proven coaches, not hope and prayer... People that have been there and done that before, skill development. Stiles knows the area.
Like I said, you wouldnt be happy with anyone with SC as HC.
or take 2 proven coaches?
We need proven coaches, not hope and prayer... People that have been there and done that before, skill development. Stiles knows the area.
Like I said, you wouldnt be happy with anyone with SC as HC.
Look, the coaches that were in place before built relationships with top 20 players who were interested in OU; some were ready to commit. But they didn't cut the mustard with SC. Who's to say that the same won't happen with the current new coaches IF they can get the attention of some top players? SHansmeyer apparently was "proven" but what good did it do her? The options I mentioned have coaching experience with the exception of CParis. Tiffany Jackson didn't have any coaching experience when KAston hired her, but Aston has enough sense to know the benefits of having such a former player on her bench. Before Jackson was Tina Thompson. None of the coaches have experience until they get a job; it starts somewhere and former players are a great risk to take and if they have pro experience it's even better. Stiles might know "the area" but who has she recruited and signed that was a game changer? That's what OU needs. Game changers! What has Washington done lately? More of 5 foot something guards and 6 foot post players that have zero athleticism is not going to bring them from the basement of the conference. If SC continues to do more of the same...then you're right. New assistants, regardless of who they are, will not make a difference and the only way to correct the issue is what most programs would have done two years ago...get a new leader and cut your loses while you're ahead.
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OSU also got a commitment from Micah Dennis out of Canada. Supposedly she is really good compared to other Canadian girls but we all saw how well that worked out with Shaina.
If Shaina was such a bad player with a bad attitude...I'm sure they would have seen the signs and never signed her. They loved everything about her, talked about how she can help the program, what they will do to help develop her into a WNBA player, fed her and the family steak and lobster on the official visit, and gave her the royal treatment like they do most recruits...including Dungee and Mulkey. I'm sure Shaina played a part as well, but many of us make poor decisions out of frustration, disappointment, etc. SPennington will go somewhere else and do just fine...more than likely.
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Call me pessimistic but I'm going to go out on a limb right now and say that we sign absolutely no productive grad transfers. As a matter of fact I don't think we are going to make any additions to the roster if there isn't an announcement by the end of May. That being the case I see this team winning five, maybe eight more games than they did last season, tops. I hope to God I'm way off on this, but the older we get the more set in our ways we get and the less likely we are to change, I don't think s c is an exception to this. I can see her signing a random 6'2" post player that's a grad transfer that will do absolutely nothing, kind of like she did when signing Serna or Durrett out of the juco ranks. That's the type of player, if any, I see her signing in the off-season. If she proves me wrong I will be more than happy to eat my words!
I am sure that Jackson-Durrett told Sherri NO!!! She has nine years experience at Miss State and have been to the Finals twice in the last three years and was in the Elite 8 this past year. She will only move to be head coach.
Stiles has way more experience as a player. She was the superstar at Missouri State but they didn't hire her to be the new coach there. Amaka “Mox” Agugua-Hamilton was introduced as Missouri State’s eighth women’s basketball coach on April 17, 2019. It is interesting that Kelly Harper didn't take Stiles with her to Tennessee. Missouri State had three Oklahoma girls on the roster but none from Texas.
Coquese Washington is an interesting hire. Penn State upgraded with Carolyn Kieger from Marquette. Washington's record has been really strange, she won big early and then her teams collapsed.
2008-2009 12-18
2009-2010 18-14 #WNIT
2010-2011 26-10 *NCAA 2nd Round
2011-2012 27-7 *NCAA S16
2012-2013 27-5 *NCAA 2nd Round
2013-2014 25-8 *NCAA S16
2014-2015 7-24
2015-2016 13-19
2016-2017 22-11 #WNIT
2017-2018 16-16 #WNIT
2018-2019 12-18
She went 123-44 from 2009-14 then went 70-98 from 2014-2019.
She might be the perfect fit because she is trending like Sherri.
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Bingo +1!!!
I might be wrong, but her decline started shortly after the Sandusky story put the Penn State athletic department in a very bad light. Looks like she had a couple good years with players who she already had on campus, but could not get good players to replace them. I could be totally wrong, but it could explain the meltdown.
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Well, we will soon see if this is proven correct. I am just not sure these two assistants are going to get a say of any significance or that this is anything more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Sherri has always behaved a bit like she thinks her you-know-what doesn’t stink.
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Sherri has always behaved a bit like she thinks her you-know-what doesn’t stink.
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The Sandusky conviction happened in June of 2012. The only problem with the theory is that Penn State football performed better than Washington's women's hoops team.
2013 7-5
2014 8-6 W Pinstripe Bowl
2015 7-6 L Gator Bowl
2016 12-3 L Rose Bowl
2017 12-2 W Fiesta Bowl
2018 9-4 L Citrus Bowl
There is an absolute problem with using Shaina as a bad example. She was Big 12 Freshman of the Year in her first year at OU then I guess she went "Bad". Kind of strange that a player suddenly is worthless after having the first year that she had. She will fit well somewhere.
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I can only speak about Coach Coles character from early in her career, and in person away from coaching. I visited with her about coaching and young player development early in her OU career, and she took personal time to talk and give advise. Later on I asked her advise about for a friend that had applied for a job with a national association. Once again she took time to tell me what she knew about people in the association, and what they looked at to the best of her knowledge. She did not blow me off, or rush me, but was friendly, and spent time trying to assist. I have run into her at other places from time to time, and she always says hello, how are you?, and acts like a regular person.
For what it is worth, this is my perspective of her as a person.
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