Non OU Big 12 Game Thread

There have been a handful of times ku shouldn’t have won the league during this streak. Yet, they always do.

Until it’s final and they are not in first, then I will believe it will happen. Not before. It has nothing to do with should or should not.

Yeah I'm still not comfortable thinking it's over. I heard an interview with Jerry Palm this week and he was asked when he would believe they won't win the league. His answer was "about a week after they are mathematically eliminated." Great line and exactly how I feel lol.
 
Lindy Waters trying to keep Tech out of first place. I'll never not understand not fouling up three in the last few seconds, especially when a guy on the other team is unconscious.
 
Lindy Waters trying to keep Tech out of first place. I'll never not understand not fouling up three in the last few seconds, especially when a guy on the other team is unconscious.

Yeah, that was unbelievably stupid by tech. Waters made 4 straight 3’s to tie the game? 8 seconds left up 3 and they let him shoot a 3. STUPID.

Really it’s murphys law, or I should say Big12 basketball law. You know, the one that says everyone get out of KUs way so they can win the league again.
 
"Devonte Bandoo kept making threes. He went 4-of-4 from three and had 18 points. He’s the league’s second best 3-point shooter during Big 12 play. If he gets any space, he’s nearly automatic."
-SBnation

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
"Devonte Bandoo kept making threes. He went 4-of-4 from three and had 18 points. He’s the league’s second best 3-point shooter during Big 12 play. If he gets any space, he’s nearly automatic."
-SBnation

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

So frustrating. Especially for you, I'm sure, since you were calling for OU to recruit him harder last year.

These are the types of kids we are missing out on that could bridge those gaps Kruger's rosters seen to have pretty often. Probably a tough kid too, which would rub off on the rest of our guys. Such a waste.
 
so which guard coming in next season did you not want

Why does it half to be a guard? And why somebody coming in next year?

Players currently projected to be on the roster next year that I would trade for Bandoo:

Freeman
Polla
Kuath
Merritt
Iwuakor
Garang

That list is a hot mess.
 
I understand the belief that we made a mistake on bandoo. Coaches screwed up. Whatever.

What I don’t understand is why does anyone continue to lament this mistake, even now. There’s no changing it now. Continuing to whine about it serves no purpose. Get over it and move on. At the very least shut up about it. You’ve already made your point. No need to keep beating the dead horse.

He’s not Scottie Reynolds. He’s not Damian James. He’s not even John ontjes.

Get over it.
 
so which guard coming in next season did you not want

Bandoo averages 8.7 PPG. It's amazing that anyone would throw away 2 yrs of Williams or 4 yrs of Hill for 1 year of Bandoo. I would expect both of Williams' seasons to be better than both of Bandoo's & the Hill's a national top-150 guy. And the thing is, if we had Bandoo (assuming he even wanted to come to OU) instead of Reynolds, really how much better are we this year? Not much. Maybe instead of a 10 seed we're an 8. At most, we're probably playing 1 more tournament game and it cost us 2 years of Williams or 4 years of Hill. No, thank you.
 
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It must be exhausting to not even be able to watch other teams play without constantly using it as an opportunity to complain about our current players or incoming recruits. Also amusing how people love to hype every opposing player, when we all know that if those guys played for us, they'd get picked apart and called terrible every time they made a mistake. Every team in America has guys on their bench who aren't very good, it's not like OU is alone. Heck, Duke just yanked a guy's redshirt last weekend because they didn't like their depth after Zion got hurt. But by all means, keep bashing our depth guys.
 
I sometimes find myself enjoying Texas and OSU losses more than OU wins. HA!:woot

There was a pretty bad call with 3 sec left that put bu on the line down 1.

Yes, it was good for ut to lose but again pretty bad call.
 
Bandoo averages 8.7 PPG. It's amazing that anyone would throw away 2 yrs of Williams or 4 yrs of Hill for 1 year of Bandoo. I would expect both of Williams' seasons to be better than both of Bandoo's & the Hill's a national top-150 guy. And the thing is, if we had Bandoo (assuming he even wanted to come to OU) instead of Reynolds, really how much better are we this year? Not much. Maybe instead of a 10 seed we're an 8. At most, we're probably playing 1 more tournament game and it cost us 2 years of Williams or 4 years of Hill. No, thank you.

all of this
 
8.7 ppg would make him our second leading scorer from the 1-3 positions. He would also be our best 3 point shooter by a considerable margin.

So yeah, I'd say we could use him.
 
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Bandoo averages 8.7 PPG. It's amazing that anyone would throw away 2 yrs of Williams or 4 yrs of Hill for 1 year of Bandoo. I would expect both of Williams' seasons to be better than both of Bandoo's & the Hill's a national top-150 guy. And the thing is, if we had Bandoo (assuming he even wanted to come to OU) instead of Reynolds, really how much better are we this year? Not much. Maybe instead of a 10 seed we're an 8. At most, we're probably playing 1 more tournament game and it cost us 2 years of Williams or 4 years of Hill. No, thank you.


If Bandoo played for the Sooners would he average 8.7 points/game? How would you know? He might average that amount or possibly more or less, and yes, it actually matters. You're basing a change in seeding on a complete unknown.
 
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If Bandoo played for the Sooners would he average 8.7 points/game? How would you know? He might average that amount or possibly more or less, and yes, it actually matters. You're basing a change in seeding on a complete unknown.

The point is that he hasn't even been the great savior he's portrayed to be. He's had twice as many games (10) where he scored fewer than 5 points than he's had games where he's scored more than 15 (5). Honestly, how many more games do you think this 6'3" combo guard adds to our total? We're 5-10 in conference. What's our record with Bandoo instead? Do you really think it's better than 7-8? How many games does he cost us compared to Reynolds who played so well in the non-conference season? He played very well when the team was playing well and Bandoo didn't play well early in the season.

So I stand by my point, at best we gain 2 seed lines with Bandoo vs Reynolds this year and the cost is exorbitant. If you want to try and convince me that he's so good that we have a chance to win the conference with Bandoo, good luck.

According to sports-reference, Bandoo has been worth 2.3 win shares and Reynolds has been worth 1.5. So a site that specializes in exactly this sort of thing and calculates it says that Bandoo has been worth less than 1 more win than Reynolds. Dispute that if you like, but at least that site can back up their numbers. 0.8 wins isn't worth everything Bandoo would have cost us.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oklahoma/2019.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/baylor/2019.html
 
so which guard coming in next season did you not want

Doesn't have to be a guard.... and there are about 7-8 players committed to OU or playing for OU that I would take Bandoo over.

And the thing is, if we had Bandoo (assuming he even wanted to come to OU) instead of Reynolds, really how much better are we this year? Not much. Maybe instead of a 10 seed we're an 8. At most, we're probably playing 1 more tournament game and it cost us 2 years of Williams or 4 years of Hill. No, thank you.

Bandoo averages 11ppg in conference, and is a 47% 3pt shooter in Big 12 play.

Miles Reynolds averages 4.5ppg in conference, and is a 20% 3pt shooter.

The quality difference between the two is not even comparable. Also, Bandoo, like a lot of juco players, is getting better as they adjust to the speed of the game. Miles Reynolds is a 5th year senior who is done getting better, and has proven he isn't even a Big 12 player.

Bandoo will likely be a 13-14ppg player for Baylor next year, and one of the better shooters in the Big 12. The guy is hitting damn near 50% of this 3s against the best competition.

What I don’t understand is why does anyone continue to lament this mistake, even now. There’s no changing it now. Continuing to whine about it serves no purpose. Get over it and move on. At the very least shut up about it. You’ve already made your point. No need to keep beating the dead horse.

This board regularly discusses Kelvin Sampson. He hasn't coached here in like 15 years. And, I would mention that the discussion about this isn't particularly just about a single player... Its about the recruiting failures of Capel and Kruger, and is a philosophical debate about how OU should be recruiting. Bandoo is a specific example of that, but that is really what is being discussed.... is the recruiting strategy and philosophy of the current regime.

It's amazing that anyone would throw away 2 yrs of Williams or 4 yrs of Hill for 1 year of Bandoo. I would expect both of Williams' seasons to be better than both of Bandoo's & the Hill's a national top-150 guy.

Bandoo is a two year player. And, you would probably be surprised by how most freshman perform.

Bandoo (Big 12)
Bandoo averages 11ppg in conference, and is a 47% 3pt shooter in Big 12 play.

Bienemy (Big 12)
4 points, 3 assists, 2 rebounds per game in Big 12 play. 39% 3pt shooter.

Devon Dotson (Kansas - Big 12)
-13 ppg, 42% 3pt shooter.

Quentin Grimes (Kansas - Big 12)
6.9 points per game on 31% 3pt shooting

Kendric Davis (TCU - Big 12)
7.5ppg on 33% 3pt shooting

These are just some examples of immediate impact of some players... I have no doubt Bienemy, Dotson, Grimes, Davis, etc are going to have incredible careers... but freshman are often freshman for most teams not named Kentucky, Duke, etc.

Quentin Grimes was the #8 player in the nation... Devon Dotson was the #20 player in the nation. Kendric Davis was a 5 star player. Bienemy was highly rated coming out Texas.

OU absolutely needs Jamal Bienemy... Brady Manek... Kristian Doolittle, etc... But we don't need these bizarre recruits when we could fill the other gaps with guys who can help you right now.

Think about it... a freaking juco transfer is out-performing the #8 player in the country out of high school, significantly. Grimes is going to probably be a monster in the future, but THIS YEAR he is not performing well as a junior college transfer from Kansas that nobody wanted until April of last year. Bienemy is good and I know he will have a GREAT career at OU, but Bandoo is significantly more valuable than he is RIGHT NOW, this year.

Yet... the question being asked on this forum is "why wouldn't you rather have Victor Iwuokar, Anyang Garang, etc for next year"..... because I would bet money those guys average like 2ppg next year and need multiple years to develop. Go get guys that can help you win and fill roles RIGHT NOW.

If our staff took Mason Jones and Bandoo instead of Lazenby and Miles Reynolds.... Its a 25 win team instead of a 17 win team. Its not a difference in 10 seed vs 9 seed... Its THAT drastic of a difference.

I don't know that our staff even thinks about that when they sign guys like Polla, Kuath, Freeman, McNease, Miles Reynolds, Ty Lazenby, etc.... "Is this guy going to help us AT ALL next year"... If they are considering that, they are the worst talent evaluators in history.

It must be exhausting to not even be able to watch other teams play without constantly using it as an opportunity to complain about our current players or incoming recruits.

I am not exhausted at all. Posting on a message board doesn't take a whole lot out of me. Maybe I am younger than you?
 
The point is that he hasn't even been the great savior he's portrayed to be. He's had twice as many games (10) where he scored fewer than 5 points than he's had games where he's scored more than 15 (5). Honestly, how many more games do you think this 6'3" combo guard adds to our total? We're 5-10 in conference. What's our record with Bandoo instead? Do you really think it's better than 7-8? How many games does he cost us compared to Reynolds who played so well in the non-conference season? He played very well when the team was playing well and Bandoo didn't play well early in the season.

So I stand by my point, at best we gain 2 seed lines with Bandoo vs Reynolds this year and the cost is exorbitant. If you want to try and convince me that he's so good that we have a chance to win the conference with Bandoo, good luck.

According to sports-reference, Bandoo has been worth 2.3 win shares and Reynolds has been worth 1.5. So a site that specializes in exactly this sort of thing and calculates it says that Bandoo has been worth less than 1 more win than Reynolds. Dispute that if you like, but at least that site can back up their numbers. 0.8 wins isn't worth everything Bandoo would have cost us.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oklahoma/2019.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/baylor/2019.html

Some people don't find it necessary to quantify the obvious.
 
For all the 20/20 hindsight guys, how is Austin Trice doing? He was another juco who was mentioned on this board and was considered a prize. Would folks be cartwheeling if we got him?

This debate reminds me of baseball fans who overreact when a guy is hitting .500, or on the other hand, .100 a week into the season. Right now it's easy to say Bandoo would look great in an OU uniform. Let's make that assessment in three or four years after we see what Harmon, JB, Hill, and Williams have done. Remember, there was talk on here a month into last season about whether Manek would be here four years before heading to the NBA. Making grand conclusions based on a handful of good games is never a good plan.
 
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