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[Sooner81]

OU has 0 bad losses as defined by the NCAA selection committee ... that is not argueable it is a fact ..


OU lost at home to baylor that is not a bad loss ...... that is not argueable



OU didn't really show up for that game that is laying an egg it doesn't make it a bad loss ....


these are not hard concepts

HAHAHAHAHAHAH - well whatever - anyone who has a clue will call that a bad loss. Semantics, you crack me up

 

[Zimwillett]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH - well whatever - anyone who has a clue will call that a bad loss. Semantics, you crack me up

I think what he is saying is that it is not a bad loss if you apply the criteria the committee uses in its selection process.

One one hand, I agree with you. That was an bad, ugly disgusting, embarrassing loss.

On the other, I think I disagree with you about the degree of impact these losses ought to have on OU's tournament chances/seeding. I will admit I haven't closely read all of your posts because I can't get past all the inane and pointless LOL and HAHAHA stuff, but I think I get the gist. Let's just say I'm glad the committee has a fundamentally different way of selecting and seeding teams than you do, and leave it at that.

 

[BoulderSooner]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH - well whatever - anyone who has a clue will call that a bad loss. Semantics, you crack me up

you are close to getting a break from the board

 

[Hollisp]

I think I get the gist. Let's just say I'm glad the committee has a fundamentally different way of selecting and seeding teams than you do, and leave it at that.

Agreed! Also, I 2nd that motion. Let’s move on.

 

[Northbase]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH - well whatever - anyone who has a clue will call that a bad loss. Semantics, you crack me up

An ugly loss, yes. Rather disgusting play by our guys. yep. A loss that will keep us out of the tourney, no. Yes, I'd like a muligan.

 

[Sooner81]

I think what he is saying is that it is not a bad loss if you apply the criteria the committee uses in its selection process.

One one hand, I agree with you. That was an bad, ugly disgusting, embarrassing loss.

On the other, I think I disagree with you about the degree of impact these losses ought to have on OU's tournament chances/seeding. I will admit I haven't closely read all of your posts because I can't get past all the inane and pointless LOL and HAHAHA stuff, but I think I get the gist. Let's just say I'm glad the committee has a fundamentally different way of selecting and seeding teams than you do, and leave it at that.

I didn’t necessarily say it was a loss to keep us in our out just that it was a Terrible loss which I know you are saying you agree with. Of course the committee has its “criteria” but no one can convince me that they don’t look at awful losses like that and it play a role in either in or out or where do I seed someone - they are humans and they will notice that. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[Sooner81]

An ugly loss, yes. Rather disgusting play by our guys. yep. A loss that will keep us out of the tourney, no. Yes, I'd like a muligan.

Agreed, and I bet our guys would have liked a redo as well lol

 

[stormspencer]

This is a good read for those "bitter-clingers" who just can't come around.

https://cbbtoday.com/mens/the-ncaa-tournament-bubble-offers-a-reminder-about-moving-parts/

North Carolina State.
Florida.
Alabama.
Ohio State.
TCU.

None of those teams inspire confidence or look impressive, but 1 or 2 -- maybe even 3 -- will get in.

Gotta find 68

 

[Sooner81]

you are close to getting a break from the board

Well do what you have to do, but you have to be stronger than that LOL. All I said is that you’d have to be a fine salesperson to push that over on someone - like selling ice to Eskimo’s.

 

[Zimwillett]

This is a good read for those "bitter-clingers" who just can't come around.

https://cbbtoday.com/mens/the-ncaa-tournament-bubble-offers-a-reminder-about-moving-parts/

North Carolina State.
Florida.
Alabama.
Ohio State.
TCU.

None of those teams inspire confidence or look impressive, but 1 or 2 -- maybe even 3 -- will get in.

Gotta find 68

This is a good bit of perspective. There are 351 total D1 programs and 32 conferences. Each of those teams will conservatively play around 30 games by the time selection Sunday arrives. That means that in any give college season there are well over 10,000 games (a/k/a data points).

The committee has to take all that data and whittle it down to a field of the best 68 teams and seed them, and they have to do it in the most fair/objective way possible.

Based on that, I can all but assure you they don't dwell on any one loss or win or margin of victory the way that fans tend to. The biggest reason why is they physically cannot. The questions would become endless. Where do you draw the line on what you would consider a really bad loss based on margin? Is the line 15? 20? 30? What about a game like OU vs. KU where it was, actually a blowout until OU pulled their starters and KU cut it to 13 on the steam of some meaningless points in the last few minutes. Is the committee expected to analyze every margin of victory in this way?

This is why objective tools like NET, BPI, KenPom, SOS, RPI (less so now), etc are so important. The committee cannot possibly analyze every game NCAA game on the subjective basis being suggested here.

 

[stormspencer]

This is a good bit of perspective. There are 351 total D1 programs and 32 conferences. Each of those teams will conservatively play around 30 games by the time selection Sunday arrives. That means that in any give college season there are well over 10,000 games (a/k/a data points).

The committee has to take all that data whittle that down to a field of the best 68 teams and seed them, and they have to do it in the most fair/objective way possible.

Based on that, I can all but assure you they don't dwell on any one loss or win or margin of victory the way that fans tend to. The biggest reason why is they physically cannot. The questions would become endless. Where do you draw the line on what you would consider a really bad loss based on margin? Is the line 15? 20? 30? What about a game like OU vs. KU where it was, actually a blowout until OU pulled their starters and KU cut it to 13 on the steam of some meaningless points in the last few minutes. Is the committee expected to analyze every margin of victory in this way?

This is why objective tools like NET, BPI, KenPom, SOS, RPI (less so now), etc are so important. The committee cannot possibly analyze every game NCAA game on the subjective basis being suggested here.

Exactly....you nailed it. We, as fans, dwell on the micro and tend to get even more granular after a loss. This committee doesn't have that kind of time, but thank goodness there are objective measures and advanced analytics to help guide them along with a team's record.

 

[Max Power]

This is a good bit of perspective. There are 351 total D1 programs and 32 conferences. Each of those teams will conservatively play around 30 games by the time selection Sunday arrives. That means that in any give college season there are well over 10,000 games (a/k/a data points).

The committee has to take all that data and whittle it down to a field of the best 68 teams and seed them, and they have to do it in the most fair/objective way possible.

Based on that, I can all but assure you they don't dwell on any one loss or win or margin of victory the way that fans tend to. The biggest reason why is they physically cannot. The questions would become endless. Where do you draw the line on what you would consider a really bad loss based on margin? Is the line 15? 20? 30? What about a game like OU vs. KU where it was, actually a blowout until OU pulled their starters and KU cut it to 13 on the steam of some meaningless points in the last few minutes. Is the committee expected to analyze every margin of victory in this way?

This is why objective tools like NET, BPI, KenPom, SOS, RPI (less so now), etc are so important. The committee cannot possibly analyze every game NCAA game on the subjective basis being suggested here.

This right here is why I said margin of victory doesn't matter. You are better with the words than I am

 

[AdaSooner]

This is a good bit of perspective. There are 351 total D1 programs and 32 conferences. Each of those teams will conservatively play around 30 games by the time selection Sunday arrives. That means that in any give college season there are well over 10,000 games (a/k/a data points).

The committee has to take all that data and whittle it down to a field of the best 68 teams and seed them, and they have to do it in the most fair/objective way possible.

Based on that, I can all but assure you they don't dwell on any one loss or win or margin of victory the way that fans tend to. The biggest reason why is they physically cannot. The questions would become endless. Where do you draw the line on what you would consider a really bad loss based on margin? Is the line 15? 20? 30? What about a game like OU vs. KU where it was, actually a blowout until OU pulled their starters and KU cut it to 13 on the steam of some meaningless points in the last few minutes. Is the committee expected to analyze every margin of victory in this way?

This is why objective tools like NET, BPI, KenPom, SOS, RPI (less so now), etc are so important. The committee cannot possibly analyze every game NCAA game on the subjective basis being suggested here.

Great job, Zimwillett! This is the best explanation I have seen about how and why the committee uses these tools to arrive at a decision on the best 68 teams.

Much appreciated!

 

[Zimwillett]

This right here is why I said margin of victory doesn't matter. You are better with the words than I am

The way I've heard it explained is the committee can look at some margin of victory/loss data in the most extreme tie breaker scenarios. And more than any one game, they will look at it in a broader context. For example, say Team A and Team B have virtually indistinguishable resumes. They might look at something like Team A has consistently more dominant wins than Team B. Or Team B has a disturbing trend of getting absolutely blown out when they lose. Or Team A's losses were really close, on the whole.

I've never been in that room, so I don't know for sure, but my guess is the modern committee has literally never looked at a team's resume and said "well, they lost by 30 at home to some average team. Drop them down a seed line." Once you understand the scope of the task the committee is undertaking, things like that actually seem pretty damn absurd.

 

[Sooner81]

This is a good bit of perspective. There are 351 total D1 programs and 32 conferences. Each of those teams will conservatively play around 30 games by the time selection Sunday arrives. That means that in any give college season there are well over 10,000 games (a/k/a data points).

The committee has to take all that data and whittle it down to a field of the best 68 teams and seed them, and they have to do it in the most fair/objective way possible.

Based on that, I can all but assure you they don't dwell on any one loss or win or margin of victory the way that fans tend to. The biggest reason why is they physically cannot. The questions would become endless. Where do you draw the line on what you would consider a really bad loss based on margin? Is the line 15? 20? 30? What about a game like OU vs. KU where it was, actually a blowout until OU pulled their starters and KU cut it to 13 on the steam of some meaningless points in the last few minutes. Is the committee expected to analyze every margin of victory in this way?

This is why objective tools like NET, BPI, KenPom, SOS, RPI (less so now), etc are so important. The committee cannot possibly analyze every game NCAA game on the subjective basis being suggested here.

Interesting and no one really knows except the ones on the committee - a lot of guessing from everyone else. Of course they don’t dive that deep into all teams BUT I will say when it comes to the last four in/last four out teams I would bet a paycheck that those teams and their schedules are analyzed extremely deep. Just my thoughts

 

[AdaSooner]

Interesting and no one really knows except the ones on the committee - a lot of guessing from everyone else. Of course they don’t dive that deep into all teams BUT I will say when it comes to the last four in/last four out teams I would bet a paycheck that those teams and their schedules are analyzed extremely deep. Just my thoughts

Maybe you need to make up your own guidelines and pretend you’re right if that makes you feel better.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Interesting and no one really knows except the ones on the committee - a lot of guessing from everyone else. Of course they don’t dive that deep into all teams BUT I will say when it comes to the last four in/last four out teams I would bet a paycheck that those teams and their schedules are analyzed extremely deep. Just my thoughts

Who caaaaaaarrrressss. Were in. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

 

[Sooner81]

Who caaaaaaarrrressss. Were in. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

Fine, if you don’t care don’t comment or read lol

 

[Max Power]

Maybe you need to make up your own guidelines and pretend you’re right if that makes you feel better.

Wait, isn't that what's been happening for the last two days?

 

[Sooner81]

Maybe you need to make up your own guidelines and pretend you’re right if that makes you feel better.

A lot of anger Ada lol, sad. Is this not a board where everyone can express their own thoughts and opinions? Or do you only want posters that go with what you want? It doesn’t “make me feel better” lol it’s just my opinion and what I think and my Feelings don’t depend on this chat board (This is a GAME it’s not serious real world life - it’s kids shooting and chasing a ball - many on here need to find something else in real life and quit taking a game so seriously). I’m ok with you having your thoughts, you should be ok with everyone else having their own