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[Zimwillett]

And again, it doesn't matter. You point doesn't mean squat for the point I'm trying to make. I'm fully aware of how many teams play in the Big 12 and the SEC. But the SEC having 4 teams that suck compared to the Big 12 having 2 teams that suck, doesn't matter. The top of the league is stronger. The middle probably comparable. There is no perfect comparison b/c of how different the conference schedules and OOC games are.

Several conferences have more than one legit NC contender. The Big 12 has none this year. I stand by my point.

Again, so we're clear, as a criteria for measuring conference strength, "national championship contender" is entirely subjective.

 

[152219]

And again, it doesn't matter. You point doesn't mean squat for the point I'm trying to make. I'm fully aware of how many teams play in the Big 12 and the SEC. But the SEC having 4 teams that suck compared to the Big 12 having 2 teams that suck, doesn't matter. The top of the league is stronger. The middle probably comparable. There is no perfect comparison b/c of how different the conference schedules and OOC games are.

Several conferences have more than one legit NC contender. The Big 12 has none this year. I stand by my point.

The SEC has 7 teams 50+ in Sagarin and two of those teams are 100+.
The Big 12 has 2 teams 50+ and the lowest rated is WVU at #72.

Want to switch to Kenpom?

The SEC has again 7 that are 50+ and two that are 100+.
The Big 12 has 2 teams 50+ and WVU is above 100 (easily above the two SEC teams).

BPI looks even worse for the SEC as there are 3 teams ranked 100+.

And RPI is so far in favor of the Big 12 that it isn't even worth mentioning.

FWIW, Texas Tech is rated right with Tennessee and Kentucky.

 

[Sooner81]

And again, it doesn't matter. You point doesn't mean squat for the point I'm trying to make. I'm fully aware of how many teams play in the Big 12 and the SEC. But the SEC having 4 teams that suck compared to the Big 12 having 2 teams that suck, doesn't matter. The top of the league is stronger. The middle probably comparable. There is no perfect comparison b/c of how different the conference schedules and OOC games are.

Several conferences have more than one legit NC contender. The Big 12 has none this year. I stand by my point.

WT - it’s impossible to argue on here with some, they tend to not see that there are more than one opinion or more than one way to look at things. Tiresome ..........

 

[Sooner81]

WVU on the road objectivly is also not a bad loss ... .. OU has 0 bad losses objectivly speaking

also losing to ranked teams as home (especially top 10 teams) are not bad losses or laying eggs ..


so that brings us to losing bayor the only game this season where OU truly laid an egg .... and again to a very good team

YES, losing on the road is a bad loss THIS year to WVU period - not arguable.
And PLEASE, look above where you stated 0 bad losses, No way, even through your Crimson glasses can you say losing to Baylor AT HOME BY 30 is anything but a Bad loss. Your credibility on this post is lost right there. And in your same post you contradicted yourself by saying 0 bad losses and then oh yeah Baylor was an egg BUT to a very good team (did this team just get beat at home last night by an OSU team HAHAHAHA ?)

I looked back at the game threads from all of our losses in Big 12 and Most of the posters on here arguing for OU getting in and hating on me saying someone should stay on the bench etc etc. I had to laugh my butt off as I read almost all of them saying AWFUL things about the team the coach and SPECIFIC players all through the threads LOL. Sooooooo funny how much trash was talked by all the posters coming after me and a few others and what I said was MILD compared to what was said in the threads. Truly did laugh out loud a lot.

And lastly, you put a whole lot of words in my mouth above, never said or even implied what you are saying above. Lastly, please Never compare our team to Duke HAHAHAHA, not in the same hemisphere - no comparisons are appropriate lol

 

[WichitaSooner]

And again, it doesn't matter. You point doesn't mean squat for the point I'm trying to make. I'm fully aware of how many teams play in the Big 12 and the SEC. But the SEC having 4 teams that suck compared to the Big 12 having 2 teams that suck, doesn't matter. The top of the league is stronger. The middle probably comparable. There is no perfect comparison b/c of how different the conference schedules and OOC games are.

Several conferences have more than one legit NC contender. The Big 12 has none this year. I stand by my point.

So if the ACC had Duke, UVA, and Carolina, then filled out the rest of the league with no schools in the top 100, the ACC would be better than the Big 12 because its three best teams are better than ours?

In the ACC, since they don't play a double round robin, teams will face those three teams probably 4-5 times total. That gives them 13-14 other games to play against other teams. There are 6 teams in that league that range from bad to terrible. So using OU as an example -- if we play in that league, we likely go 0-4 or 0-5 against the three elite schools. But we also likely pick up 7 or 8 wins against the terrible teams. Do that, and simply play .500 ball against the teams in the middle of the pack, and you will finish above .500.

I just can't understand how you can say the strength of the bottom teams doesn't matter in trying to assess a conference, especially since you clearly believe that a team's conference record should be a selection factor. Playing a bunch of games against bad teams obviously makes it easier to add wins.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Lastly, please Never compare our team to Duke HAHAHAHA, not in the same hemisphere - no comparisons are appropriate lol

We are absolutely both in the northern hemisphere. And the northern hemisphere is clearly the top rated hemisphere by any metric.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Sad I have to put this in here, if you are following OU it should be easy to remember.- BU 77 - OU 47 WOW OUCH big time EGG all over our face at HOME
TT 66 - OU 54 at HOME got killed - can’t lose at home!!
ISU 75 - OU 74 at HOME - can’t lose at home

There you go, 3 eggs AT home - if we do the simple things and win in Norman we are now 10-7 and about a 6 seed. We did this to ourselves.

Losing at WVU is not a good loss either, we played poorly and should have won that as well like most visiting teams there this year.

There ya go, again I love OU but Reality sometimes gets in the way of many OU crimson wearing glasses fans - it doesn’t with me I’m capable of seeing what is happening in front of me.

It is called the narrative versus reality. I'm pulling for reality.

 

[stormspencer]

It is called the narrative versus reality. I'm pulling for reality.

I'm beginning to think Sooner81 is BOCA reincarnated.....they certainly have the same posting style in that their usage of random capital letters along with an aversion to paragraph breaks seem to be too coincidental.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I'm beginning to think Sooner81 is BOCA reincarnated.....they certainly have the same posting style in that their usage of random capital letters along with an aversion to paragraph breaks seem to be too coincidental.

There goes my breakfast.

 

[Sooner81]

I'm beginning to think Sooner81 is BOCA reincarnated.....they certainly have the same posting style in that their usage of random capital letters along with an aversion to paragraph breaks seem to be too coincidental.

Don’t know who you reference. And to help you out, Capital letters are to EMPHASIZE something. There you go

 

[Sooner81]

It is called the narrative versus reality. I'm pulling for reality.

Sheep I too love reality. But the fact is in everyday life I have friends and family who live a “narrative” every day but my personality is very black and white - no gray area - and that doesn’t play well there either. But the difference is that in every day life we have a polite calm discussion and accept that the other person sees it differently and move along - that doesn’t seem to be possible with some on this board.

 

[AdaSooner]

I'm beginning to think Sooner81 is BOCA reincarnated.....they certainly have the same posting style in that their usage of random capital letters along with an aversion to paragraph breaks seem to be too coincidental.

Nah, nothing about Sooner81’s posting style makes me think of Boca. Don’t forget, I’m a bocabull expert of sorts (whatever that is).

I have also checked his profile and run an IP match. Boca was clever and smart, but I doubt if even he would bother to cover his tracks by never using an IP address he posted on in years past.

Besides, do you think Boca could post here for more than a year without expressing his political views? No way he would keep his opinion on politics under wraps that long.

Conclusion: Sooner81 is not bocabull. He’s also not nearly as sarcastic or caustic as boca.

 

[stormspencer]

Nah, nothing about Sooner81’s posting style makes me think of Boca. Don’t forget, I’m a bocabull expert of sorts (whatever that is).

I have also checked his profile and run an IP match. Boca was clever and smart, but I doubt if even he would bother to cover his tracks by never using an IP address he posted on in years past.

Besides, do you think Boca could post here for more than a year without expressing his political views? No way he would keep his opinion on politics under wraps that long.

Conclusion: Sooner81 is not bocabull. He’s also not nearly as sarcastic or caustic as boca.

I suspected you would have the technical insight to determine that they weren't the same. There were just some eerie similarities there that reminded me of Boca.....so I had to at least ask the question. Not to mention, cherry-picking and arguing in the face of facts were both traits of his.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Sheep I too love reality. But the fact is in everyday life I have friends and family who live a “narrative” every day but my personality is very black and white - no gray area - and that doesn’t play well there either. But the difference is that in every day life we have a polite calm discussion and accept that the other person sees it differently and move along - that doesn’t seem to be possible with some on this board.

Getting blown out by Baylor at Lloyd Noble qualifies as laying an egg, so I was actually agreeing with you if you tended to think otherwise.

 

[Sooner81]

Getting blown out by Baylor at Lloyd Noble qualifies as laying an egg, so I was actually agreeing with you if you tended to think otherwise.

No i thought you had agreed with me

 

[BoulderSooner]

YES, losing on the road is a bad loss THIS year to WVU period - not arguable.
And PLEASE, look above where you stated 0 bad losses, No way, even through your Crimson glasses can you say losing to Baylor AT HOME BY 30 is anything but a Bad loss. Your credibility on this post is lost right there. And in your same post you contradicted yourself by saying 0 bad losses and then oh yeah Baylor was an egg BUT to a very good team (did this team just get beat at home last night by an OSU team HAHAHAHA ?)

I looked back at the game threads from all of our losses in Big 12 and Most of the posters on here arguing for OU getting in and hating on me saying someone should stay on the bench etc etc. I had to laugh my butt off as I read almost all of them saying AWFUL things about the team the coach and SPECIFIC players all through the threads LOL. Sooooooo funny how much trash was talked by all the posters coming after me and a few others and what I said was MILD compared to what was said in the threads. Truly did laugh out loud a lot.

And lastly, you put a whole lot of words in my mouth above, never said or even implied what you are saying above. Lastly, please Never compare our team to Duke HAHAHAHA, not in the same hemisphere - no comparisons are appropriate lol

OU has 0 bad losses as defined by the NCAA selection committee ... that is not argueable it is a fact ..


OU lost at home to baylor that is not a bad loss ...... that is not argueable



OU didn't really show up for that game that is laying an egg it doesn't make it a bad loss ....


these are not hard concepts

 

[Max Power]

OU has 0 bad losses as defined by the NCAA selection committee ... that is not argueable it is a fact ..


OU lost at home to baylor that is not a bad loss ...... that is not argueable



OU didn't really show up for that game that is laying an egg it doesn't make it a bad loss ....


these are not hard concepts

Some people can't get with the times. The criteria for selection changed. Last 10 doesn't matter, margin of victory or loss doesn't matter, conference record doesn't matter. By the metrics that do matter ou has 0 quad 3 losses, and 0 quad 4 games.

 

[Eielson]

Losing to Baylor by 30 at home doesn't count as a bad loss by the NCAA committee, but goodness, that was a bad loss in every other sense of the word. One of the ugliest losses of Kruger's tenure here without a doubt.

But that's pretty much it. I hated following that up with a loss on the road against the worst team in conference, but ISU, TCU, and KU all did the same thing.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Some people can't get with the times. The criteria for selection changed. Last 10 doesn't matter, margin of victory or loss doesn't matter, conference record doesn't matter. By the metrics that do matter ou has 0 quad 3 losses, and 0 quad 4 games.

I would prefer to win a game than to lose one and be told it does not qualify as a bad loss. One helps more than the other.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Some people can't get with the times. The criteria for selection changed. Last 10 doesn't matter, margin of victory or loss doesn't matter, conference record doesn't matter. By the metrics that do matter ou has 0 quad 3 losses, and 0 quad 4 games.

Agree 100% with your overall point. But, and I only know this because of an interview I heard recently, margin of victory does still factor in -- though most experts are unsure of exactly how much. This link discusses it:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...-bracket-is-built-by-the-selection-committee/

One other thing to negate the idea that a team with OU's profile would not have made it in previous years or under the prior system -- we actually are 31 in the RPI, 38 in the NET. So from that standpoint, we would be better off under the system that was still in use last year.