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[Hollisp]

You are right 81, I do not like your opinion on this matter on several levels. Moving on!

 

[Sooner81]

You are right 81, I do not like your opinion on this matter on several levels. Moving on!

Well good because I don’t like yours as well

 

[BCSooners]

You don’t have to like my opinion - it’s like noses everybody has one including you. It doesn’t make my opinion or yours right its just a thought.
ESPN has several fairly smart NCAA basketball gurus and I’ve heard a few of them the last week offer these exact sentiments. They say that this Problem of teams getting in with poor conference records is going to get “fixed” in the off season, again not my words but some of theirs. I understand both sides of the argument and both sides can be argued effectively. First remember I am GLAD OU is going to get in as I love the Sooners and have supported them for 50 years! But it tastes real bad when teams with under 500 records in their own conference get in. Remember the committee has always said they look at Recent play very strongly. If OU loses in the first round of the Big-12 we would be 8-12 in our last 20 games (counting Vandy). 8-12 is not something you jump up and pound your chest about and scream from the rooftops LOL.
Again, I’m glad we are in but this is the reality of what many, not all, see when they look at this. We did some real good things out of conference but we laid some big time Eggs at home in conference - that’s the reality of the deal.

Recent play isn’t criteria either.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Recent play isn’t criteria either.

The unwillingness by so many to acknowledge this is odd. It would be like if people said the football team didn't deserve to make the playoff because for years, only two teams were selected to play in a championship game rather than four to play in a playoff. The process has changed, the world moves on, everyone knows the rules, so let's focus on the current system rather than all the prior iterations.

 

[stormspencer]

You don’t have to like my opinion - it’s like noses everybody has one including you. It doesn’t make my opinion or yours right its just a thought.
ESPN has several fairly smart NCAA basketball gurus and I’ve heard a few of them the last week offer these exact sentiments. They say that this Problem of teams getting in with poor conference records is going to get “fixed” in the off season, again not my words but some of theirs. I understand both sides of the argument and both sides can be argued effectively. First remember I am GLAD OU is going to get in as I love the Sooners and have supported them for 50 years! But it tastes real bad when teams with under 500 records in their own conference get in. Remember the committee has always said they look at Recent play very strongly. If OU loses in the first round of the Big-12 we would be 8-12 in our last 20 games (counting Vandy). 8-12 is not something you jump up and pound your chest about and scream from the rooftops LOL.
Again, I’m glad we are in but this is the reality of what many, not all, see when they look at this. We did some real good things out of conference but we laid some big time Eggs at home in conference - that’s the reality of the deal.

I'm sure you a decent OU fan....so don't take this personally. As has been pointed out on this thread and a few other threads as well, nothing you have indicated above is a relative criteria with regards to the selection process this year. I would suggest you google NET ranking and committee selection process and read up on it. Otherwise, you are just providing pointless, subjective thoughts that have absolutely no bearing in reality nor the process that is being used for selection.

 

[BoulderSooner]

You don’t have to like my opinion - it’s like noses everybody has one including you. It doesn’t make my opinion or yours right its just a thought.
ESPN has several fairly smart NCAA basketball gurus and I’ve heard a few of them the last week offer these exact sentiments. They say that this Problem of teams getting in with poor conference records is going to get “fixed” in the off season, again not my words but some of theirs. I understand both sides of the argument and both sides can be argued effectively. First remember I am GLAD OU is going to get in as I love the Sooners and have supported them for 50 years! But it tastes real bad when teams with under 500 records in their own conference get in. Remember the committee has always said they look at Recent play very strongly. If OU loses in the first round of the Big-12 we would be 8-12 in our last 20 games (counting Vandy). 8-12 is not something you jump up and pound your chest about and scream from the rooftops LOL.
Again, I’m glad we are in but this is the reality of what many, not all, see when they look at this. We did some real good things out of conference but we laid some big time Eggs at home in conference - that’s the reality of the deal.

links to these "fixed" takes ... and what "eggs" did OU lay in Conf??

 

[WTSooner]

That and it being the #1 rated conference....

Just shows how poorly those ratings are. You really think the Big 12 is the best conference? With a down KU team, and nobody else playing in that level? Again, just b/c the teams in the bottom half of our conference are more respectable than the teams in the bottom half of other conferences, doesn't make the conference tougher. This will prove itself out in a few weeks.

 

[Sooner81]

links to these "fixed" takes ... and what "eggs" did OU lay in Conf??

Sad I have to put this in here, if you are following OU it should be easy to remember.- BU 77 - OU 47 WOW OUCH big time EGG all over our face at HOME
TT 66 - OU 54 at HOME got killed - can’t lose at home!!
ISU 75 - OU 74 at HOME - can’t lose at home

There you go, 3 eggs AT home - if we do the simple things and win in Norman we are now 10-7 and about a 6 seed. We did this to ourselves.

Losing at WVU is not a good loss either, we played poorly and should have won that as well like most visiting teams there this year.

There ya go, again I love OU but Reality sometimes gets in the way of many OU crimson wearing glasses fans - it doesn’t with me I’m capable of seeing what is happening in front of me.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Sad I have to put this in here, if you are following OU it should be easy to remember.- BU 77 - OU 47 WOW OUCH big time EGG all over our face at HOME
TT 66 - OU 54 at HOME got killed - can’t lose at home!!
ISU 75 - OU 74 at HOME - can’t lose at home

There you go, 3 eggs AT home - if we do the simple things and win in Norman we are now 10-7 and about a 6 seed. We did this to ourselves.

Losing at WVU is not a good loss either, we played poorly and should have won that as well like most visiting teams there this year.

There ya go, again I love OU but Reality sometimes gets in the way of many OU crimson wearing glasses fans - it doesn’t with me I’m capable of seeing what is happening in front of me.

So I guess you think the tournament should basically be reduced to about 5-10 teams and only include teams who don't lose at home and who have literally zero bad losses? Because we have one loss to a team outside the top 100, but apparently that's too many for you. Good thing Duke pulled it out against an atrocious Wake Forest team the other night in Cameron, or else they'd be NIT bound!

 

[BCSooners]

Just shows how poorly those ratings are. You really think the Big 12 is the best conference? With a down KU team, and nobody else playing in that level? Again, just b/c the teams in the bottom half of our conference are more respectable than the teams in the bottom half of other conferences, doesn't make the conference tougher. This will prove itself out in a few weeks.

It's the toughest conference and that was proven in the OOC.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Just shows how poorly those ratings are. You really think the Big 12 is the best conference? With a down KU team, and nobody else playing in that level? Again, just b/c the teams in the bottom half of our conference are more respectable than the teams in the bottom half of other conferences, doesn't make the conference tougher. This will prove itself out in a few weeks.

the ratings are objective Math .... they are not poor

 

[BoulderSooner]

Sad I have to put this in here, if you are following OU it should be easy to remember.- BU 77 - OU 47 WOW OUCH big time EGG all over our face at HOME
TT 66 - OU 54 at HOME got killed - can’t lose at home!!
ISU 75 - OU 74 at HOME - can’t lose at home

There you go, 3 eggs AT home - if we do the simple things and win in Norman we are now 10-7 and about a 6 seed. We did this to ourselves.

Losing at WVU is not a good loss either, we played poorly and should have won that as well like most visiting teams there this year.

There ya go, again I love OU but Reality sometimes gets in the way of many OU crimson wearing glasses fans - it doesn’t with me I’m capable of seeing what is happening in front of me.

WVU on the road objectivly is also not a bad loss ... .. OU has 0 bad losses objectivly speaking

also losing to ranked teams as home (especially top 10 teams) are not bad losses or laying eggs ..


so that brings us to losing bayor the only game this season where OU truly laid an egg .... and again to a very good team

 

[WTSooner]

the ratings are objective Math .... they are not poor

Objective? lol

I'm not saying they are intentionally bias, but they still measure what man told them to measure, how man told them to measure it.

I base a conferences "strength" on the good teams, not on what level of bad the bad teams are. That is what skews the rating in my mind.

Funny how OU fans like that rating when it says what they want to hear. That certainly hasn't been the message around here when it wasn't saying that.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Objective? lol

I'm not saying they are intentionally bias, but they still measure what man told them to measure, how man told them to measure it.

I base a conferences "strength" on the good teams, not on what level of bad the bad teams are. That is what skews the rating in my mind.

Funny how OU fans like that rating when it says what they want to hear. That certainly hasn't been the message around here when it wasn't saying that.

so the WEST coast is one of the best conf in america???

 

[152219]

Objective? lol

I'm not saying they are intentionally bias, but they still measure what man told them to measure, how man told them to measure it.

I base a conferences "strength" on the good teams, not on what level of bad the bad teams are. That is what skews the rating in my mind.

Funny how OU fans like that rating when it says what they want to hear. That certainly hasn't been the message around here when it wasn't saying that.

So, you can have 2 excellent Final Four level teams and then crap below and that makes a good conference? Like the SEC this year? Sorry, but top to bottom the Big 12 is better than the SEC and I haven't seen the SEC ranked above the Big 12 by anyone.

It should be noted, that the Big 12 is ranked #1, #2, or #3 according to various outlets/methods. Is the Big 12 the 3rd best overall league? Sure, I could support that as well.

 

[Zimwillett]

Objective? lol

I'm not saying they are intentionally bias, but they still measure what man told them to measure, how man told them to measure it.

I base a conferences "strength" on the good teams, not on what level of bad the bad teams are. That is what skews the rating in my mind.

Funny how OU fans like that rating when it says what they want to hear. That certainly hasn't been the message around here when it wasn't saying that.

I'm not trying to be rude, but in this context, I think we are operating on a very different understanding of what the word "objective" means. For purposes of this discussion, the RPI is an objective measure insofar as the conclusion it comes to is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. In other words, it's not just some talking head saying "well I've seen the [insert conference] and let me tell you, based on what I've seen, they're the best." That would be purely subjective, and essentially what you are doing.

Now you can disagree with the criteria the RPI uses (and I would be curious for you to detail specifically which criteria you think is wrong with the conference RPI rating), but that doesn't change the fact that the results it spits out are, by definition, objective.

 

[WTSooner]

So, you can have 2 excellent Final Four level teams and then crap below and that makes a good conference? Like the SEC this year? Sorry, but top to bottom the Big 12 is better than the SEC and I haven't seen the SEC ranked above the Big 12 by anyone.

It should be noted, that the Big 12 is ranked #1, #2, or #3 according to various outlets/methods. Is the Big 12 the 3rd best overall league? Sure, I could support that as well.

Where did I say anything about the SEC? That said, the SEC currently has a projected #1 and a #2 seed. LSU is a #3 (matches the top seed from the Big 12. AND.....the SEC is projected to get more teams in the Dance (8 to 7 currently). My main point was that I think the ACC and Big 10 are better, but dang, I think I can make a pretty solid case that the SEC is as well. Vandy and UGA might be worse than WVU and OSU, but all four should be pretty easy wins for a team with NCAA Tourney aspirations. That is the point I'm trying to make.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I'm not trying to be rude, but in this context, I think we are operating on a very different understanding of what the word "objective" means. For purposes of this discussion, the RPI is an objective measure insofar as the conclusion it comes to is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. In other words, it's not just some talking head saying "well I've seen the [insert conference] and let me tell you, based on what I've seen, they're the best." That would be purely subjective, and essentially what you are doing.

Now you can disagree with the criteria the RPI uses (and I would be curious for you to detail specifically which criteria you think is wrong with the conference RPI rating), but that doesn't change the fact that the results it spits out are, by definition, objective.

thank you

 

[152219]

Where did I say anything about the SEC? That said, the SEC currently has a projected #1 and a #2 seed. LSU is a #3 (matches the top seed from the Big 12. AND.....the SEC is projected to get more teams in the Dance (8 to 7 currently). My main point was that I think the ACC and Big 10 are better, but dang, I think I can make a pretty solid case that the SEC is as well. Vandy and UGA might be worse than WVU and OSU, but all four should be pretty easy wins for a team with NCAA Tourney aspirations. That is the point I'm trying to make.

Did you just compare total bids for a league with 14 members to one with 10?

Hate to break it to you, but 7 out of 10 is more impressive than 8 out of 14. Do you need me to do the math for you?

 

[WTSooner]

Did you just compare total bids for a league with 14 members to one with 10?

Hate to break it to you, but 7 out of 10 is more impressive than 8 out of 14. Do you need me to do the math for you?

And again, it doesn't matter. You point doesn't mean squat for the point I'm trying to make. I'm fully aware of how many teams play in the Big 12 and the SEC. But the SEC having 4 teams that suck compared to the Big 12 having 2 teams that suck, doesn't matter. The top of the league is stronger. The middle probably comparable. There is no perfect comparison b/c of how different the conference schedules and OOC games are.

Several conferences have more than one legit NC contender. The Big 12 has none this year. I stand by my point.