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[WichitaSooner]

Once again Wrong, been here for 8 years (when you ass/u/me it’s not good). Are you in junior high? You act like that by calling names and putting people down. Grow up and have a discussion or don’t comment on my posts.
If you want to Actually comment on my basketball post feel free, if you want to throw junior high insults don’t bother. You must be a sad person.

By the way many on this very board have posted similar comments and obviously feel the same way about Freeman and what he does or does not bring to this team. I gues they all need to “get back on their meds” lol. Sad sad person

So the guy who called me a "butt" a few days ago, and who tries to make himself feel better by pretending that he has more of a life than others, is now speaking out against name-calling?

But to keep it to basketball, you truly are deranged if you think Freeman shoots "every time." He shoots when he is open, which, again, is exactly what he should do. When he isn't making those shots, his playing time decreases if not disappears, so it becomes a non-issue. When he is making shots, it helps the team (although apparently you would have preferred not to have the six points he scored by making two open shots).

 

[Sooner81]

So the guy who called me a "butt" a few days ago, and who tries to make himself feel better by pretending that he has more of a life than others, is now speaking out against name-calling?

But to keep it to basketball, you truly are deranged if you think Freeman shoots "every time." He shoots when he is open, which, again, is exactly what he should do. When he isn't making those shots, his playing time decreases if not disappears, so it becomes a non-issue. When he is making shots, it helps the team (although apparently you would have preferred not to have the six points he scored by making two open shots).

You had, like the other poster, came after me INSTEAD of commenting on my post. Again, don’t be a junior high kid, this is a BASKETBALL board and your posts should stick to the POST not the poster. Got it?
Of course I am deranged, again name calling (i.e. junior high - as an example you can say I disagree with your assessment instead of calling a name). I can find about 20 different posters on here who, in the last 2 games, have posted essentially the same thing. I guess they are all “deranged” as well. And please read my posts, I said 95% of the time and that is very correct. So, using your logic, when Bienemy comes up the floor he should shoot as soon as he is in range, or any of our players should shoot as soon as they are open. NO NO NO that is Not basketball - even Manek who is one of our best 3 point shooters WHEN he is set should not shoot every time he is open. That is fundamentally a terrible analysis of basketball. If you think that is how Freeman or any other player should play this team game then why bother, just get it across half court and whoever has it jack it up. NO, it’s called a team game and you RUN an offense. That’s why Freeman shouldn’t be in the game because when you RUN an offense there’s a process - he stops that process by not passing the ball and running plays - just jacks it up. Again, many many many on here agree with me and obviously you and at least one other can’t seee it but THAT’S basketball and that’s why players like Freeman need to ride the pine. He is open all the time by the way because he Rarely makes the shots and the opposing coaches see that and coach their players that way. And if you read the thread I LIKED the two 3’s he made but he’s only made about 5% of his shots over the last 10 games LOL. I would give up his 2 3’s and take my chances with a good offensive set every time AND I would rather some of our true 3 point shooters take that shot if needed - but RUN a set first to see if you can get a good shot OR have one of your top scorers take the shot.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Absolutely NOPE- terrible player with a terrible mentality. Glad he’s not coming back next year, we don’t need players like that EVER!!

this kind of post is not wanted or welome on OUhoops.com

critisim is ok but this is not

 

[red recluse]

well i was pleased with matt's effort. hope he does come back.

 

[BCSooners]

Haven't watched the game yet (DVR'd) but I've never thought Freeman was a selfish player. He's also shooting the 2nd highest 3pt % on the team and stretches the other big out away from the paint.

Excited to watch the game even though none of OU's players are D1 caliber and Kruger doesn't even try anymore.

Great to secure a berth and end Kansas' streak in the same night!!!

 

[Hollisp]

or any of our players should shoot as soon as they are open.

Lot to dissect here....

The entire point of basketball is to get open shots bc that is how you make more of them. If you are truly open, shoot it. Freeman is definitely limited, but I find myself getting more mad when he hesitates THEN shoots.

Again, if any player is open and in rhythm, shoot the ball!

 

[WichitaSooner]

You had, like the other poster, came after me INSTEAD of commenting on my post. Again, don’t be a junior high kid, this is a BASKETBALL board and your posts should stick to the POST not the poster. Got it?
Of course I am deranged, again name calling (i.e. junior high - as an example you can say I disagree with your assessment instead of calling a name). I can find about 20 different posters on here who, in the last 2 games, have posted essentially the same thing. I guess they are all “deranged” as well. And please read my posts, I said 95% of the time and that is very correct. So, using your logic, when Bienemy comes up the floor he should shoot as soon as he is in range, or any of our players should shoot as soon as they are open. NO NO NO that is Not basketball - even Manek who is one of our best 3 point shooters WHEN he is set should not shoot every time he is open. That is fundamentally a terrible analysis of basketball. If you think that is how Freeman or any other player should play this team game then why bother, just get it across half court and whoever has it jack it up. NO, it’s called a team game and you RUN an offense. That’s why Freeman shouldn’t be in the game because when you RUN an offense there’s a process - he stops that process by not passing the ball and running plays - just jacks it up. Again, many many many on here agree with me and obviously you and at least one other can’t seee it but THAT’S basketball and that’s why players like Freeman need to ride the pine. He is open all the time by the way because he Rarely makes the shots and the opposing coaches see that and coach their players that way. And if you read the thread I LIKED the two 3’s he made but he’s only made about 5% of his shots over the last 10 games LOL. I would give up his 2 3’s and take my chances with a good offensive set every time AND I would rather some of our true 3 point shooters take that shot if needed - but RUN a set first to see if you can get a good shot OR have one of your top scorers take the shot.

I hadn't come after you at all. All I did was ask if you had read the thread you were posting in, because the exact question you asked had been addressed in detail for the better part of a week.

And your analysis of my position is not even remotely logical. I argued that (a) Freeman's primary role is to make shots, and (b) he therefore should shot WHEN OPEN. Slightly different than saying he, or anyone, should shoot as soon as they cross the timeline. But if you want to keep using fictional stats to support your argument about Freeman's shooting percentage, none of us can stop you. Also, if you think opposing coaches tell their players to leave him open on the perimeter, your basketball IQ is off the charts -- i.e., it is so low it doesn't even register. The guy is a spot up shooter who rarely drives and doesn't create his own shot. I guarantee you that the only thing opposing coaches tell their players about Freeman is "don't let him catch and shoot, crowd him and force him to put the ball on the floor or give it up."

 

[Sooner81]

this kind of post is not wanted or welome on OUhoops.com

critisim is ok but this is not

Whatever, I can find 500 posts just like this over the season from everyone on here except the sunshine pumpers, you are just choosing this one to emphasize - my opinion,. My eyes don’t lie. I didn’t say anything about him personally just about his game and just that his game and mentality is Not what I want on My Sooners basketball team or any other Sooner team I follow and support.

 

[Sooner81]

I hadn't come after you at all. All I did was ask if you had read the thread you were posting in, because the exact question you asked had been addressed in detail for the better part of a week.

And your analysis of my position is not even remotely logical. I argued that (a) Freeman's primary role is to make shots, and (b) he therefore should shot WHEN OPEN. Slightly different than saying he, or anyone, should shoot as soon as they cross the timeline. But if you want to keep using fictional stats to support your argument about Freeman's shooting percentage, none of us can stop you. Also, if you think opposing coaches tell their players to leave him open on the perimeter, your basketball IQ is off the charts -- i.e., it is so low it doesn't even register. The guy is a spot up shooter who rarely drives and doesn't create his own shot. I guarantee you that the only thing opposing coaches tell their players about Freeman is "don't let him catch and shoot, crowd him and force him to put the ball on the floor or give it up."

Well you Obviouslyknow you were coming after me so I won’t argue that as you put me down on that post so I came right back at you - if you remember there were several posters that actually came back and just answered my question like a normal person would.
And again, if you are saying that anyone who is open should always take the shot then i will 100% disagree with you - check his stats for the last 10 + games and yo should back off saying he is a “shooter” he may be a shooter but he is Not a shot maker and THAT is why he should Not shoot when open - if there is 8 seconds or under on the clock yes shoot Freeman if not pass the stupid ball and run the offense

 

[Sooner81]

I hadn't come after you at all. All I did was ask if you had read the thread you were posting in, because the exact question you asked had been addressed in detail for the better part of a week.

And your analysis of my position is not even remotely logical. I argued that (a) Freeman's primary role is to make shots, and (b) he therefore should shot WHEN OPEN. Slightly different than saying he, or anyone, should shoot as soon as they cross the timeline. But if you want to keep using fictional stats to support your argument about Freeman's shooting percentage, none of us can stop you. Also, if you think opposing coaches tell their players to leave him open on the perimeter, your basketball IQ is off the charts -- i.e., it is so low it doesn't even register. The guy is a spot up shooter who rarely drives and doesn't create his own shot. I guarantee you that the only thing opposing coaches tell their players about Freeman is "don't let him catch and shoot, crowd him and force him to put the ball on the floor or give it up."

And you have NO clue as to my basdketball IQ. FOr all I know you are a 15 year old sitting behind a computer screen. Everyone on here are experts lol. I watch the games and see how ALL teams play off of him so either they are all coaching their players to do this or none of the teams we play have well coached teams - you decide LOL

 

[hoopsaustin]

Everyone shut up and talk trash on kansas

 

[WichitaSooner]

Well you Obviouslyknow you were coming after me so I won’t argue that as you put me down on that post so I came right back at you - if you remember there were several posters that actually came back and just answered my question like a normal person would.
And again, if you are saying that anyone who is open should always take the shot then i will 100% disagree with you - check his stats for the last 10 + games and yo should back off saying he is a “shooter” he may be a shooter but he is Not a shot maker and THAT is why he should Not shoot when open - if there is 8 seconds or under on the clock yes shoot Freeman if not pass the stupid ball and run the offense

Again, you apparently don't read my post. Where did I say or even imply that "anyone" who is open should shoot every time? We have several guys on our team who should rarely take outside shots -- RO, Reynolds, Muni, Polla, etc. And YOU might want to be the guy to check the stats in his last 10 games, because he is 8-22 from three. Not only is that not 5%, it is better than our team as a whole shoots from three, and better than just about any player on the roster.

 

[Hollisp]

Everyone shut up and talk trash on kansas

My favorite part about being in an arena with KU fans when they lose are the expressions they have. Last night I had a few surrounding me and it was fun to look at their smug faces pre tip and compare them to post game. All in bewilderment/shock that a Jawhawk team can lose and lose badly. They got blown smooooooth out. I won’t lie I spent a lot of the 2nd half watching their fans own that beatdown and it was glorious.

 

[thebigabd]

Everyone shut up and talk trash on kansas

This.

 

[thebigabd]

I have a feeling Cheno and Grace are reading this.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Everyone shut up and talk trash on kansas

I think some are more interested in the "my wanker is bigger than yours" debate which is prevalent on message boards. It is pathetic.

 

[coolm]

well I agree with Boulder about posts like that being uncalled for. You need to learn the boundaries of good taste 81. these are kids and they're putting much more on the line than you and I. Show some respect.

Plus, that's matt's job. his role is to come in and shoot open 3's. he's been forced to expand that a bit so forgive him a little OJT. but taking shots is his job. the timing is an experience thing. maybe deciding that it's too early in the clock could be a consideration, but they know better about that than we do. You like for kids to get into that shooting rhythm and if he's squared and ready for the ball ...

 

[stormspencer]

I think some are more interested in the "my wanker is bigger than yours" debate which is prevalent on message boards. It is pathetic.

And this has become all the more frequent on this board. Some of these threads are really enjoyable and insightful, yet a few on here feel the need to hijack them because of their hubris or righteous indignation.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Actually, there is nothing to be confused about. We were 3-9 in conference play including multiple embarrassing home losses. Like it or not, a lot of blame goes on the coaching staff. That's the real world. We should all be happy they have done a good job in righting the ship. At the beginning of the year, most of us felt this was an NCAA Tournament team so getting in achieves expectations. Playing into the second weekend exceeds them. Simple as that.

amen...

yes OU won a big game last night.

Sorry..man, ku was really off. They get everyone back...they are young and are still (up to last night) in the hunt for the title. They will be favored again next year. We haven't beaten them by 10 since 1990...wow.

The biggest plus LK has done is call for the switching of Def...that'll I'll give him credit for and figuring out a decent rotation.

 

[SoonerinNC]

Probably our best game of the year, particularly on defense. Kansas got few good shots and missed a lot of them.

Offense was also good. Didn't like the quick trays in the last part of the second half when a better strategy would have been to run some clock and try to get a better shot. Best all-around game of the year for both Doolittle and Manek.

Good start for next year.

I usually turn down the sound on national broadcasts because of all of the hype and showmanship but I did turn it up at the end and was disapointed to hear all about how great a run by Kansas and little recognition of the great game OU played. Kansas deserves a lot of credit for thier long success but no one seemed to recognized that they got crushed. Unfair to guys like Doolittle, Manek and Bieniemy.