Will the Big 12 Tournament come back to OKC?

[thebigabd]

Just rotate between Dallas, OKC, and Kansas City.

 

[WTSooner]

just rotate between dallas, okc, and kansas city.

and tulsa!!!!!

 

[oSuJeff97]

The State of Missouri should lose benefits of being associated with the Big XII. These are state institutions (with the exception of Baylor and now TCU) being funded with taxpayer money. The financial benefits of a tournament or championship game should go to the taxpayers of a city that has a school in the conference.


Someone else noted that the West Coast Conference holds its tournament in a different state. I simply don't use anything from the West Coast as an example of how to do something. Any President of any of the Universities that approves anything associated with the Big XII being in Missouri should be replaced . As citizens of the remaining member states it is completely reasonable to expect events to not be in the State of Missouri. I would prefer to see it in Wichita or Des Moines. We have plenty of venues in this conference, OKC, Tulsa, Des Moines, Wichita (admitiedly small but I am not opposed to Kansas getting to host the event), Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and Houston are all perfectly acceptable options. Missouri should not be rewarded with one nickle of revenue associated with the Big XII conference.

Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes.

The way I look at it is this - in making the decision to leave the Big 12 for the SEC, the University of Missouri had to take into consideration how all stakeholders would be affected by their decision - the sports teams, alumni, students, etc. And yes - the cities in its state that host conference events should have been part of the decision-making process.

Missouri decided to leave. The Big 12 wanted them to stay.

So I say - happy trails... best of luck in your new conference. And best of luck in convincing the SEC to hold their conference tournaments or championships in KC or St. Louis.

But the Big 12 should absolutely NOT hold their conference tournament in a state they no longer have a university. Period. Especially considering there are PLENTY of viable options to KC, as has been noted multiple times in this thread.

 

[badger]

I'd be willing to see what KU, ISU and KSU have to say about having the tourney in KC again or if they'd be up for trying out the next-biggest proximity to the Big 12 from KC, Tulsa.

If those 3 want the Big 12 have KC has a host site every few years, then we should probably give KC a shot, for those 3 schools' sakes. They're practically one-third of the conference right now, so KC every 3 years isn't such a bad request on their behalf.

But I want Tulsa at LEAST to get a serious consideration.

 

[stoops4pres]

The Mabee Center would be way better for this type of deal than the Reynolds Center. Better part of town, way better parking, more seating, etc.

Maybe someone will know this but how come Union High School, not the Mabee Center, hosted the Mid-Continent Conference/Summit League when that conference tournament took place in Tulsa? Was it because they wanted to keep it "neutral", or did the conference not believe the Mabee Center's facility were up to par to host a conference tournament? Because if it were the latter, then it'd be hard to imagine the Big 12 feeling different.

I don't think it'd ever happen (it'd be BOK or bust), but for selfish reasons I would've preferred it being at the Mabee Center over Reynolds as well... Lived about 10 minutes away from there on Riverside, would've been convenient for us southsiders.

 

[CzechM8]

The State of Missouri should lose benefits of being associated with the Big XII. These are state institutions (with the exception of Baylor and now TCU) being funded with taxpayer money. The financial benefits of a tournament or championship game should go to the taxpayers of a city that has a school in the conference.


Someone else noted that the West Coast Conference holds its tournament in a different state. I simply don't use anything from the West Coast as an example of how to do something. Any President of any of the Universities that approves anything associated with the Big XII being in Missouri should be replaced . As citizens of the remaining member states it is completely reasonable to expect events to not be in the State of Missouri. I would prefer to see it in Wichita or Des Moines. We have plenty of venues in this conference, OKC, Tulsa, Des Moines, Wichita (admitiedly small but I am not opposed to Kansas getting to host the event), Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and Houston are all perfectly acceptable options. Missouri should not be rewarded with one nickle of revenue associated with the Big XII conference.

By not having it in KC you actually penalize 3 CURRENT members of the conference MUCH MORE than you would penalize mizzou.

Your logic is completely flawed and seems to be rooted in some pretty deep hatred for mizzou. The fact is, mizzou's departure isn't even worth being upset about... much less making a decision that is mistakenly made to hurt them, but in actuality hurts the current members more.

 

[tycat947]

By not having it in KC you actually penalize 3 CURRENT members of the conference MUCH MORE than you would penalize mizzou.

Your logic is completely flawed and seems to be rooted in some pretty deep hatred for mizzou. The fact is, mizzou's departure isn't even worth being upset about... much less making a decision that is mistakenly made to hurt them, but in actuality hurts the current members more.

What about the 7 remaining members??? Why penalize them for having to travel to KC when OKC is much more centrally located than KC??? These 3 schools along with Mizzou and Nebraska benefited tremendously for years in being able to attend the Big 8/Big 12 tourney with just a couple of hours drive. OKC has proven to be just as successful at holding the tourney plus it's more centrally located.

 

[DenverSooner]

By not having it in KC you actually penalize 3 CURRENT members of the conference MUCH MORE than you would penalize mizzou.

Your logic is completely flawed and seems to be rooted in some pretty deep hatred for mizzou. The fact is, mizzou's departure isn't even worth being upset about... much less making a decision that is mistakenly made to hurt them, but in actuality hurts the current members more.

Actually, I would be all for the Tournament going to Iowa once every ten years. I also agree with Bill Self and see no reason for KU or any other Big XII schools to continue to play Missouri in sports. They turned their backs on their long term partners and should not continue to reap any benefits from those partners. One of the benefits of the Big XII is the Big XII Basketball Tournament and it should not be played in KC, unless the good people on the Kansas side decide to build a venue and it is played on the Kansas side of the border. Obviously, the Missouri side would get some benefit but I see no reason to be unreasonable towards our Kansas partners in the Big XII conference.

 

[campbest]

The State of Missouri should lose benefits of being associated with the Big XII. These are state institutions (with the exception of Baylor and now TCU) being funded with taxpayer money. The financial benefits of a tournament or championship game should go to the taxpayers of a city that has a school in the conference.


Someone else noted that the West Coast Conference holds its tournament in a different state. I simply don't use anything from the West Coast as an example of how to do something. Any President of any of the Universities that approves anything associated with the Big XII being in Missouri should be replaced . As citizens of the remaining member states it is completely reasonable to expect events to not be in the State of Missouri. I would prefer to see it in Wichita or Des Moines. We have plenty of venues in this conference, OKC, Tulsa, Des Moines, Wichita (admitiedly small but I am not opposed to Kansas getting to host the event), Dallas, Austin, San Antonio and Houston are all perfectly acceptable options. Missouri should not be rewarded with one nickle of revenue associated with the Big XII conference.

You must be high.

I just don't see why having the tournament on a rotation with a stop in Kansas City is that big of a deal. Dallas probably deserves one more shot but has proven to be a flop in the past, so that just leaves OKC/Tulsa for the most part. Good luck getting everyone to sign off on that, plus, that would get REALLY boring.

Kansas City does the tournament right.

 

[oSuJeff97]

You must be high.

I just don't see why having the tournament on a rotation with a stop in Kansas City is that big of a deal. Dallas probably deserves one more shot but has proven to be a flop in the past, so that just leaves OKC/Tulsa for the most part. Good luck getting everyone to sign off on that, plus, that would get REALLY boring.

Kansas City does the tournament right.

As much as I would like to see KC get shut out, it's not very likely for the reasons you pointed out.

But it certainly no longer deserves the "favored status" as the site of the Tournament.

I think a regular rotation among KC, OKC, Tulsa, and Dallas makes the most sense.

 

[Dignon003]

I hope it returns to OKC. That game was a blast. equal parts OU and OSU all mixed in with each other.

As a bonus I was able to sneak down behind the benches for the game following.

 

[DenverSooner]

You must be high.

I just don't see why having the tournament on a rotation with a stop in Kansas City is that big of a deal. Dallas probably deserves one more shot but has proven to be a flop in the past, so that just leaves OKC/Tulsa for the most part. Good luck getting everyone to sign off on that, plus, that would get REALLY boring.

Kansas City does the tournament right.

Most business people do not financially reward old partners.

 

[Sawyer]

I don't really care where the Big 12 tournament is held going forward, but if you take the "screw Missouri" attitude and refuse to have it in KC, don't turn around and try to act like KC is a Big 12 town (which I've read here several times). You really can't have it both ways.

FWIW, I've never understood why it needs to be at a neutral site. None are truly neutral, anyway. I think it'd be cool to rotate between conference cities (logistically it may not be the best option to have fans of 10 teams convene on one college town, but aside from that I think it'd be cool, and I'd say that for any conference).

 

[CzechM8]

Most business people do not financially reward old partners.

actually we would be taking good money from KC to have it there and rewarding several conference members by having KC in the rotation.

 

[seniorsooner]

So Enid it is. Glad we got that settled.

 

[campbest]

Most business people do not financially reward old partners.

Most business people would suggest holding the tournament in Des Moines, Iowa.

Haha, are you so upset by this move that you're not going to spend another dollar in the State of Missouri?

 

[DenverSooner]

Most business people would suggest holding the tournament in Des Moines, Iowa.

Haha, are you so upset by this move that you're not going to spend another dollar in the State of Missouri?

I was extremely unlikely to go to Missouri befoe this happened and I am probably less likely to go now. However, if I have a reason to go to Missouri, I certianly will. I just don't think the Big XII should do anything to help that state. It is illogical.

With respect to Des Moines, I have never been there but it is my understanding it is farily similar to Tulsa, OKC or Little Rock. It is probably the smallest of the four cities (Little Rock might be the smallest) but I think it is a reasonable sized city and would assume it has a venue that could handle a Big XII Tournament. I also believe Iowa has a pretty similar population to Oklahoma. I did not bother to look it up but I would speculate both are above 3,000,000 and less than 4,000,000 people. I realize 3-4 million if a pretty big spread but the point is neither state is particularly populous or particularly small when compared to the other states in this country.

I just think the State of Iowa is more entitled to host the tournament than Missouri.

 

[stoops4pres]

I was extremely unlikely to go to Missouri befoe this happened and I am probably less likely to go now. However, if I have a reason to go to Missouri, I certianly will. I just don't think the Big XII should do anything to help that state. It is illogical.

With respect to Des Moines, I have never been there but it is my understanding it is farily similar to Tulsa, OKC or Little Rock. It is probably the smallest of the four cities (Little Rock might be the smallest) but I think it is a reasonable sized city and would assume it has a venue that could handle a Big XII Tournament. I also believe Iowa has a pretty similar population to Oklahoma. I did not bother to look it up but I would speculate both are above 3,000,000 and less than 4,000,000 people. I realize 3-4 million if a pretty big spread but the point is neither state is particularly populous or particularly small when compared to the other states in this country.

I just think the State of Iowa is more entitled to host the tournament than Missouri.

Personally, I'd rather go to Kansas City despite Mizzou leaving, than go to Des Moines.

Other than Wells Fargo Arena being a suitable facility (which I am presuming it's suitable since it seats around 16,000 and opened in 2005), there'd be no other reason to go there. As far as their population is concerned, their metropolitan area is about twice as small as Tulsa's.

Going further away to a less-ideal scenario just to appease Iowa State fans would not make sense. Keep it in cities with closer proximity for the majority of schools (Tulsa, OKC, etc) that would be more enjoyable destinations.

 

[DenverSooner]

Personally, I'd rather go to Kansas City despite Mizzou leaving, than go to Des Moines.

Other than Wells Fargo Arena being a suitable facility (which I am presuming it's suitable since it seats around 16,000 and opened in 2005), there'd be no other reason to go there. As far as their population is concerned, their metropolitan area is about twice as small as Tulsa's.

Going further away to a less-ideal scenario just to appease Iowa State fans would not make sense. Keep it in cities with closer proximity for the majority of schools (Tulsa, OKC, etc) that would be more enjoyable destinations.

Rewarding your partners and not rewarding people that clearly only care about themselves is what makes sense. I really don't care if it is in Des Moines or not. However, I would much prefer to see the people of Iowa reap the benefits than KC.

I was under the impression that Tulsa was just under 1,000,000 people and that Des Moines was around 700,000. I am not suggesting either is accurate, that is just what I assumed. I am surprised to learn Tulsa is twice as big. Is Tulsa larger than I thought or Des Moines smaller?

 

[campbest]

I was under the impression that Tulsa was just under 1,000,000 people and that Des Moines was around 700,000. I am not suggesting either is accurate, that is just what I assumed. I am surprised to learn Tulsa is twice as big. Is Tulsa larger than I thought or Des Moines smaller?

570,000 in the entire metro area, KC metro has 2.2 million.