Will the Big 12 Tournament come back to OKC?

[oSuJeff97]

570,000 in the entire metro area, KC metro has 2.2 million.

Are you referring to Des Moines with the 537,000 number?

The Tulsa MSA was just over 937,000 in the 2010 census.

 

[campbest]

Are you referring to Des Moines with the 537,000 number?

The Tulsa MSA was just over 937,000 in the 2010 census.

Yes.

Back off Jeff, I'm not bashing Tulsa.

 

[stoops4pres]

Rewarding your partners and not rewarding people that clearly only care about themselves is what makes sense. I really don't care if it is in Des Moines or not. However, I would much prefer to see the people of Iowa reap the benefits than KC.

I was under the impression that Tulsa was just under 1,000,000 people and that Des Moines was around 700,000. I am not suggesting either is accurate, that is just what I assumed. I am surprised to learn Tulsa is twice as big. Is Tulsa larger than I thought or Des Moines smaller?

Having it in KC would reward more teams than in Des Moines, especially for KU and K-State.

As for Tulsa, the stats were already described, but Tulsa is just under 1,000,000 and Des Moines is just over 500,000 in their respective metropolitan areas. Tulsa has more citizens than many realize.

 

[seniorsooner]

I don't remember P&L having as many restaurants as Bricktown, but I do remember the P&L's bar scene being much better than Bricktown.

Which is the only thing that matters.

Signed, PINKEL

 

[Tydude]

he should be suspended for saturday game for doing Driving drunk last night

 

[oSuJeff97]

Yes.

Back off Jeff, I'm not bashing Tulsa.

I wasn't trying to be harsh.



I just couldn't tell which city you were talking about.

 

[Sawyer]

he should be suspended for saturday game for doing Driving drunk last night

Suspended for a week without pay, must also pay back a second week's salary and will not receive any bowl bonus. Won't have contact with the team for practice or the game during his suspension.

Or he could've spent $15 for a cab.

 

[tycat947]

Suspended for a week without pay, must also pay back a second week's salary and will not receive any bowl bonus. Won't have contact with the team for practice or the game during his suspension.

Or he could've spent $15 for a cab.

It's the beginning of the end for Pinkel at Mizzou! After a couple of years getting pummelled by the SEC and this, I'll be surprised if he's there in 3 years.

 

[Sawyer]

It's the beginning of the end for Pinkel at Mizzou! After a couple of years getting pummelled by the SEC and this, I'll be surprised if he's there in 3 years.

Mizzou's breaking in a new starting quarterback, replacing half its starters on defense, lost a pre-season 1st team All-Big 12 LT right before the season started and will likely finish 7-5 against the nation's toughest schedule. The SEC will be no worse. An average SEC schedule will be easier than what MU has played this season.

This arrest will ultimately have little to do with Pinkel's future. This is not a case of the law finally catching up with a guy who's out of control and is not indicative of the type of person he is.

That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's gone in a few years. He's not a coach who's going to hang on into his 70s. I fully expect him to retire within five years, regardless of how well or poorly MU does in the SEC.

FWIW, the total financial hit Pinkel will take for this from MU is over $300,000.

 

[seniorsooner]

the nation's toughest schedule

Care to explain that statement?

Non-conference:

4-7 Miami (OH)
6-4 Arizona State
2-8 Western Illinois

Or were you just speaking in generalities about how the Big 12 this year makes for the toughest conference slate in the nation?

 

[tycat947]

Care to explain that statement?

Non-conference:

4-7 Miami (OH)
6-4 Arizona State
2-8 Western Illinois

Or were you just speaking in generalities about how the Big 12 this year makes for the toughest conference slate in the nation?

:chestram2:

 

[slappy in OP]

Just to let you guys that are in the "never in MO again" crowd know, there have been preliminary talks about adding a retractable roof to LiveStrong Sporting Park (home of Sporting KC of the MLS) in order to potentially take the Big 12 tournament games from the Sprint Center. Several people here in the KC area agree that the state of MO should suffer some consequences for the actions of Mizzou. The LSP is on the Kansas side of the state line. From what I have heard, this is in the early stages of planning but may happen one day.

That being said, I am all for OKC and Tulsa getting in on the rotation. I did not care for the games that I went to in Dallas.

 

[Sawyer]

Care to explain that statement?

Non-conference:

4-7 Miami (OH)
6-4 Arizona State
2-8 Western Illinois

Or were you just speaking in generalities about how the Big 12 this year makes for the toughest conference slate in the nation?

I'll let Jeff Sagarin and the NCAA explain it for me.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2011/Internet/toughest schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (looks like kansas actually has the top spot here by a half game).

The SEC looks like they want to keep an 8 game conference schedule, and Mizzou's permanent cross-division rivalry will be with A&M. That guarantees MU will never have to face more than one of Bama, Auburn, LSU and Arkansas in the same year, and we will also be replacing a BCS conference game with another mid-major non-conference opponent (ASU comes to Columbia next year). All that combined leads to a schedule that should be much easier in year 1.

 

[seniorsooner]

I'll let Jeff Sagarin and the NCAA explain it for me.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2011/Internet/toughest schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (looks like kansas actually has the top spot here by a half game).

That's great and all, but care to explain how schedule A is better than schedule B?

Schedule A
Miami (OH) 4-7
@ Arizona State 6-4
Western Illinois 2-8, FCS
@ Oklahoma 8-1
@ Kansas St. 8-2
Iowa St. 5-4
Oklahoma St. 10-0
@ Texas A&M 5-5
@ Baylor 6-3
Texas 6-3
Texas Tech 5-5
@ Kansas 2-8

Combined W/L - 67-50

Schedule B
Tulsa 7-3
@ Florida St. 7-3
Missouri 5-5
Ball St. 6-5
Texas* 6-3
@ Kansas 2-8
Texas Tech 5-5
@ Kansas St. 8-2
Texas A&M 5-5
@ Baylor 6-3
Iowa St. 5-4
@ Oklahoma St. 10-0

Combined W/L - 72-46

 

[Max Power]

That's great and all, but care to explain how schedule A is better than schedule B?

Schedule A
Miami (OH) 4-7
@ Arizona State 6-4
Western Illinois 2-8, FCS
@ Oklahoma 8-1
@ Kansas St. 8-2
Iowa St. 5-4
Oklahoma St. 10-0
@ Texas A&M 5-5
@ Baylor 6-3
Texas 6-3
Texas Tech 5-5
@ Kansas 2-8

Combined W/L - 67-50

Schedule B
Tulsa 7-3
@ Florida St. 7-3
Missouri 5-5
Ball St. 6-5
Texas* 6-3
@ Kansas 2-8
Texas Tech 5-5
@ Kansas St. 8-2
Texas A&M 5-5
@ Baylor 6-3
Iowa St. 5-4
@ Oklahoma St. 10-0

Combined W/L - 72-46

Don't try to confuse him with facts

 

[boksooner]

Don't try to confuse him with facts

The biggest swing comes in the last game of the year (+8 to OU). That game hasn't happened yet. Schedule strength changes weekly. After Bedlam, OU may pass Mizzou in SOS.

 

[propoke]

The biggest swing comes in the last game of the year (+8 to OU). That game hasn't happened yet. Schedule strength changes weekly. After Bedlam, OU may pass Mizzou in SOS.

Yeah, playing the #2 team in the country, on the road will do a lot for your SOS. By the end of the season I would bet ou's SOS is one of the best in the nation.

 

[Sawyer]

What point exactly are you trying to make? I never said OU's schedule was weak. My argument is that the schedule MU currently plays is not easier than what they'll see in the SEC. I'll grant you that OU's schedule is certainly difficult, as well.

MU's schedule—TODAY—is ranked as the toughest in the country. That will likely come down over the final two weeks, but the fall won't be significant enough to really change my point.

All 10 current Big 12 schools are in the top 13 in sos. The SEC's average: 25. The SEC's bottom feeders are also currently weaker than the Big 12's worst. kansas is the only Big 12 outside the current top 45 in the Sagarin ratings (kansas is in the 80s). Both Kentucky and Ole Miss are lower than ku.

Another way to look at it: the current average Sagarin rating for MU's opponents this year is 46. Compare that to a hypothetical SEC schedule that includes games against all east teams, A&M and LSU in the west, Arizona State, Miami (OH) and Southern Illinois (already on the schedule) and kansas as the 12th game (they are still under contract to play MU once more in Arrowhead). That schedule's average opponent ranking: 53. And that's really a worst-case scenario. If MU were to draw Mississippi instead of LSU as its first west opponent (a best-case for MU), that drops to 63. There's really no scenario where the schedule gets harder.

Of course, that's using this year's rankings. Things can change. As long as the Big 12 is playing 9 conference games, though, its schedules will be among the toughest in the country.

 

[DenverSooner]

Having it in KC would reward more teams than in Des Moines, especially for KU and K-State.

As for Tulsa, the stats were already described, but Tulsa is just under 1,000,000 and Des Moines is just over 500,000 in their respective metropolitan areas. Tulsa has more citizens than many realize.

You don't get it. I am not talking about the convenience to fans. I am talking about the economic impact to the city.

 

[Sooner04]

I don't think a city should be punished for the actions of a school 150 miles down the road.

It's not like the Fighting Kangaroos of UMKC decided to bail on the Big 12.