Another typical Big XII season

[bocabull]

Teams get overrated throughout the season and then come tournament time lose to higher seeds and mid majors.

 

[Cheno]

Teams get overrated throughout the season and then come tournament time lose to higher seeds and mid majors.

Ummm, two Big 12 teams made the Elite 8. How is that overrated?

 

[playmakr]

Yea I'm with Cheno on this.

There are 6 major conferences with 73 teams, and the Big 12 had/has 2 of the final 8 teams. That is a phenomenal year for the conference.

I must note I couldn't care less about how the Big 12 does, I'm simply pointing out they did well.

I was more excited to see a Horizon League team make the Final Four than anything else, having played in the league.

 

[sdcloud9]

How is the Big 12 overrated?

I'll take two Big 12 in the final eight every year.

KU lost sure, but three number one seeds are out. It's all about match-ups and if you follow basketball, you'll see there aren't a lot of people excited about playing Butler. They are damn good in anyone's book.

 

[bocabull]

Let's see:

1) The Big XII has been running around saying they are the best conference in the country.
2) They get 7 teams in the dance.
3) So far only 1 of those 7 teams has beat a lower seed with 10 seed Missouri winning over a 7 seed.
4) Every other Big XII team has lost to higher seeds.
5) The best win of any of the 7 teams has been a double OT win over a 6 seed meaning none of the 7 teams even have a win over a top 20 team.

That about sums it up. You can't be any more overrated that that when every team but 1 has been upset and the supposed best conference doesn't even have a win over a top 20 team.

O yeah and I almost forgot, the conference champ was dominated by a mid major.

 

[skyvue]

Could you give us a similar rundown on all the major conferences, please, starting with the ones that did better than the Big 12?

Thanks in advance.

 

[artvandelay]

if Baylor were to win it all, would you revise your thoughts?

 

[coolm]

when you get below the top couple of seeds who get the "best of the best" recruits consistently then it comes down more to matchups than seeding.

 

[stoops4pres]

Teams get overrated throughout the season and then come tournament time lose to higher seeds and mid majors.

You do realize the Big 12 has arguably had the best tourney run since 2002, right? They haven't taken a back seat to anyone.

So if you're saying, "Another typical Big 12 season", then you should be saying the Big 12 is doing good this year. Because they have been (2 teams in the Elite 8 is pretty good), just like they have the last 8 years. So by that notion, then yeah it is another typical season.

 

[bocabull]

Could you give us a similar rundown on all the major conferences, please, starting with the ones that did better than the Big 12?

Thanks in advance.

Sure, just doing a quick and dirty, every conference that played a Big XII team other than the Clemson from the ACC, outperformed their seed and upset a lower seed.

See how easy that was?

 

[skyvue]

Oh, and I would point out that if you're a high seed, you're not going to get the chance to beat a higher seed and if and when you lose, it likely will be to a lower seed (please note: I'm not using the same higher/lower terminology you're using, given that you're speaking of lower and higher in the opposite way they're usually used).

Unless KU won it all or lost to another #1 seed (which could only happen in the Final Four), they were going to lose to a lower seed.

KSU was in roughly the same boat, and they lost to a #5 seed that has now won 24 straight game. You really want to paint that as a huge upset?

Baylor's still going. oswho was a #7 that lost to a #10 from a power conference. texas lost in an 8-9 game, for pete's sake. A&M, a #5 seed, lost to a #4 seed. #10 seeded Mizzou beat #7 seeded Clemson before losing to #2 seed WV, who are in the Final Four.

Do you see how it works?

 

[stoops4pres]

Could you give us a similar rundown on all the major conferences, please, starting with the ones that did better than the Big 12?

Thanks in advance.

+1

 

[skyvue]

BTW, the Big East was touting itself as the best conference in America much more vociferously than the Big 12, and it came much closer to a flame-out than did the Big 12.

1 seed Syracuse beat a 15 and an 8 before losing to a 5 seed.
2 seed WV beat a 15, an 11, and a 10 seed before beating UK yesterday (both were 2 seeds).
2 seed Villanova beat a 15 seed before losing to a 10 seed.
3 seed Georgetown lost to an 11 seed.
3 seed Pitt beat a 14 seed before losing to a 6 seed.
6 seed Notre Dame lost to an 11 seed.
6 seed Marquette lost to an 11 seed.
9 seed Louisville lost to an 8 seed.

Four first-round losses, not one win over a higher seed, and six losses to teams that were 3 (twice), 5 (twice), and 8 (twice) seeds lower. Only Louisville lost to a higher seeded team.

So skip your down-and-dirty next time and do your homework.

 

[NickZepp]

The Big East had what 1 team make the Elite 8? That conference was supposed to be the best ever. If Baylor makes the Final Four the Big 12 did better than any other conference in this tournament and that's on a down year for the conference. The South had 3 really below average teams by the end of this year in Oklahoma, Texas, and Tech, and one decent team in Oklahoma State and 2 good teams. North had 2 really good teams, 2 really bad teams in Iowa State and Nebraska, and a couple decent teams. The conference was really not near as strong as it has been.

 

[skyvue]

Now let's give the Big 12 a similar close look:

1 seed KU beat a 16 and lost to a 9.
2 seed KSU beat a 15, a 7 and a 6 before losing to a 5 with 24 straight wins that is now in the Final Four.
3 seed Baylor beat a 14, an 11 and a 10. Today, they're facing a 1.
5 seed A&M beat a 12 seed and lost to a 4.
7 seed oswho lost to a 10 seed
8 seed texas lost to a 9 seed.
10 seed Missouri beat a 7 seed and lost to a 2.

That's two first-round losses -- a 7 to a 10 and 8 to a 9, one win (so far) over a higher seed, two losses (so far) to higher seeds, and four losses to teams that were 1, 3 (twice), and 8 seeds lower. The only really bad loss is KU's, where the Big East had four losses to teams that were five seed positions or more lower.

Sorry, but the Big 12 fares better overall. If Baylor tops Duke, it's not even close in comparing the Big East and Big 12.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

BTW, the Big East was touting itself as the best conference in America much more vociferously than the Big 12, and it came much closer to a flame-out than did the Big 12.

1 seed Syracuse beat a 15 and an 8 before losing to a 5 seed.
2 seed WV beat a 15, an 11, and a 10 seed before beating UK yesterday (both were 2 seeds).
2 seed Villanova beat a 15 seed before losing to a 10 seed.
3 seed Georgetown lost to an 11 seed.
3 seed Pitt beat a 14 seed before losing to a 6 seed.
6 seed Notre Dame lost to an 11 seed.
6 seed Marquette lost to an 11 seed.
9 seed Louisville lost to an 8 seed.

Four first-round losses, not one win over a higher seed, and six losses to teams that were 3 (twice), 5 (twice), and 8 (twice) seeds lower. Only Louisville lost to a higher seeded team.

So skip your down-and-dirty next time and do your homework.

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Mods you can close this one now....... Skyvue has unleashed some March Madness ownage on my buddy Boca.....

 

[JBaker]

I really believe Bocabull has to be fake.

Nobody is this consistently dumb.

 

[tomkar98]

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Mods you can close this one now....... Skyvue has unleashed some March Madness ownage on my buddy Boca.....

I wish there was a way to frame that post. Or rather, the series of posts.

Good job!

 

[boomerbaby]

Sure, just doing a quick and dirty, every conference that played a Big XII team other than the Clemson from the ACC, outperformed their seed and upset a lower seed.

See how easy that was?

Are you serious???

You need to evaluate a little more in depth prior to typing.

 

[cfin5256]

BTW, the Big East was touting itself as the best conference in America much more vociferously than the Big 12, and it came much closer to a flame-out than did the Big 12.

1 seed Syracuse beat a 15 and an 8 before losing to a 5 seed.
2 seed WV beat a 15, an 11, and a 10 seed before beating UK yesterday (both were 2 seeds).
2 seed Villanova beat a 15 seed before losing to a 10 seed.
3 seed Georgetown lost to an 11 seed.
3 seed Pitt beat a 14 seed before losing to a 6 seed.
6 seed Notre Dame lost to an 11 seed.
6 seed Marquette lost to an 11 seed.
9 seed Louisville lost to an 8 seed.

Four first-round losses, not one win over a higher seed, and six losses to teams that were 3 (twice), 5 (twice), and 8 (twice) seeds lower. Only Louisville lost to a higher seeded team.

So skip your down-and-dirty next time and do your homework.

That is ownage, though the BE does have 1 win over a higher seed.