March Madness and Covid-19

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steverocks35 said:
We are still in the middle of it, we have increased by 3,000 deaths since yesterday, we will be at 80,000 deaths by the middle of the weekend. Cases are decreasing in New York and the surrounding states but increasing everywhere else. We have emerging hotspots in places like Iowa and Georgia and it's only going to get worse as we "open up." Letting kids go to school in the middle of this would be crazy because it's not about them, it's about all the people they might infect. If this follows the pattern of the 1918 pandemic the second wave will be worse than the first. And I don't doubt it since it seems like we have lost the will or the patience to do what is working.
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When a patient dies and the standard admission DRG is changed to Covid to collect $13,000 (more if they were on a ventilator), I don’t know how anyone can be certain of the data. You know as well as I do that some (not all) hospitals will take full advantage of the best reimbursement they can get. And, with their usual sources of revenue not available now, many of them are in a survival mode.
 
Stikboy said:
Now, as things open, even MORE people are going to get sick from having immune systems that are weaker from not having been exposed to anything.
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this is already happening.

And in a similar vein, the local news just ran a story where Mercy won't perform surgery on a patient with cancer even though his oncologist said it needs to done yesterday. They are telling him the risk of this 70 year old man coming in is too great and he has to wait un June!
 
AdaSooner said:
When a patient dies and the standard admission DRG is changed to Covid to collect $13,000 (more if they were on a ventilator), I don’t know how anyone can be certain of the data. You know as well as I do that some (not all) hospitals will take full advantage of the best reimbursement they can get. And, with their usual sources of revenue not available now, many of them are in a survival mode.
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There are actually more people that DIDN'T get counted that died of Covid-19. The deaths are actually higher than are being reported. This "that many people really didn't die of Covid-19!" is another conspiracy theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/05/02/excess-deaths-during-covid-19/?arc404=true
 
mict085 said:
You asked earlier if you dont get the vaccine what’s the harm to others. The harm is the disease spreading and killing other people. So, yes, you not getting a vaccine puts other people at risk.
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Thanks for the response... I still don't agree with this though. Theoretically, the only people that i would put at risk are those that are ok with living with that risk, except for a small portion of people that can't get the vaccine for whatever reason. So logically, I asked what is that magic number and nobody knows. Is it 10 people? 100? 1000? 1 million? where do we draw the line?

We don't have herd immunity with the flu. Even if it was mandatory, it has shown to on average be maybe 50% effective. So it isn't like a vaccine is the end all be all. Yes it helps. I agree with that. But I don't think it should be mandatory.

There are so many risks out there. If we try to mitigate all of these risks to our lives, we will be left without free will.

So for a serious question...maybe I am wrong on this, but my understanding is that someone (CDC I don't know) chooses which strand of the flu they predict will be the most active and that is what they use for the vaccine that year.

Why not produce a vaccine for each strand each year and require everyone to get all of them?
 
Stikboy said:
Ada, I agree with most of what you write. But there are some doctors(idiots, of course) that say sheltering in place and keeping ourselves indoors is the WORST thing we could have done. Keeping our immune systems from being exposed to ANYTHING is keeping it from being able to work, to keep effective, to exercise it if you will. Now, as things open, even MORE people are going to get sick from having immune systems that are weaker from not having been exposed to anything.
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Stikboy, I’m convinced that sheltering in place was/is the right thing for people in my age group (late 70s and underlying health issues). I wouldn’t be doing it if I didn’t believe that. It’s a small price to pay if it helps to flatten the curve and prevent an overload of our healthcare system.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Oh c'mon man
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We all know they are over reporting like crazy on deaths. I find it very very hard to believe they are not labelling everything they possibly can as covid deaths.

To me, this data says that the shutdowns and lockins are adding to the average mortality rate. People are depressed. People don't have a will to live anymore. People are not going to the hopsital when they should. There are numerous reasons. Hospitals are shut down basically unless you have covid. Some people are starving.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
We all know they are over reporting like crazy on deaths. I find it very very hard to believe they are not labelling everything they possibly can as covid deaths.

To me, this data says that the shutdowns and lockins are adding to the average mortality rate. People are depressed. People don't have a will to live anymore. People are not going to the hopsital when they should. There are numerous reasons. Hospitals are shut down basically unless you have covid. Some people are starving.
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Shutdowns and lockins actually reduce the fatality rate because people aren't driving and working. I know it seems counter-intuitive but it's true.
 
steverocks35 said:
There are actually more people that DIDN'T get counted that died of Covid-19. The deaths are actually higher than are being reported. This "that many people really didn't die of Covid-19!" is another conspiracy theory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/05/02/excess-deaths-during-covid-19/?arc404=true
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Conspiracy theory or not, I’m not buying. No way hospitals would miss the opportunity to increase their revenue by assigning the wrong diagnosis to patients. Nothing about that makes sense to me.
 
AdaSooner said:
Conspiracy theory or not, I’m not buying. No way hospitals would miss the opportunity to increase their revenue by assigning the wrong diagnosis to patients. Nothing about that makes sense to me.
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I can tell you that never in the history of healthcare has the spotlight shined brighter on hospitals. It doesn't make a lot of sense to commit fraud in that environment.
 
steverocks35 said:
Shutdowns and lockins actually reduce the fatality rate because people aren't driving and working. I know it seems counter-intuitive but it's true.
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how do you know this if we can't even grasp how many people have actually died of covid?
 
steverocks35 said:
I can tell you that never in the history of healthcare has a the spotlight shined brighter on hospitals. It doesn't make a lot of sense to commit fraud in that environment.
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You don't know humans do you?

Hospitals have readily admitted that they label it as covid if some dies while being infected with covid. Whether it was related or not to being injected.
 
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