Secret Scrimmage vs. Marquette

[BCSooners]

It's hard to understand. Other than NCAAM, almost everyone plays quarters, from young kids all the way up. I just looked it up and there is actually one fewer media timeout per half in the women's game -- one per quarter, plus the break between quarters. It also adds strategy since you get two extra "end of quarter" scenarios. I heard Jenni B talk about that last season and she thinks it helps women's teams execute better in those situations since they have so many more opportunities throughout the season.

I don't know of any benefit playing halves over quarters.

 

[cowboysooner]

Seems like we have been playing "halves" as long as I can remember. Anyone know if we have always played "halves" in college ball? Or, did we switch to "halves" from quarters somewhere along the way. If so, when did that occur?

I also wonder if anyone has studied whether 40 minutes played in halves takes less time than playing 40 minutes in quarters. Can't imagine why it would be much different.

Speaking of scrimmages, I can't go (other commitments) but there is a scrimmage open to the public on Wednesday at 6:00 pm if anyone wants to get a peek at the team. I was hoping to make it, just can't. If any of you go, I hope you will give us a report.

 

[NickZepp]

It doesn’t add timeouts. It helps reduce the endless parade of free throws because the bonus resets each quarter.

TV finds a way to add timeouts. Look at the two minute timeout they added for college football. But I can see it doing good for the foul issues.

 

[NickZepp]

I do like that you know in your head when the TV timeouts are for halves not getting used to it. I'm sure if they did quarters they would change TV timeouts to like every 3 minutes instead of 4. But hopefully they would change to 5 minutes. I just doubt they would get rid of a timeout.

 

[skyvue]

The women's game uses quarters and honestly I don't really notice the difference. I guess that means I don't care one way or the other whether they stick with halves or switch to quarters. I'm not sure I see an advantage (or much of a difference) either way. What am I missing?

 

[WichitaSooner]

TV finds a way to add timeouts. Look at the two minute timeout they added for college football. But I can see it doing good for the foul issues.

The women have been doing it for several years. The media timeouts are at the under five mark of each quarter, and at the end of the quarter. So three per half as opposed to four for men. Now, maybe TV could push for one more per half on the men’s side since they obviously pay more to broadcast men’s games. But even if they add one, it just evens it out to what it is now, and you’d still get the benefit of fewer free throws.

 

[NickZepp]

The women have been doing it for several years. The media timeouts are at the under five mark of each quarter, and at the end of the quarter. So three per half as opposed to four for men. Now, maybe TV could push for one more per half on the men’s side since they obviously pay more to broadcast men’s games. But even if they add one, it just evens it out to what it is now, and you’d still get the benefit of fewer free throws.

When you look at how we are advancing past having terrestrial advertising and it's gonna cannibalize itself the way its going. There will be less people watching sports in general the way they do it in the long term. I know people that quit watching live sports all together because of advertising.

 

[WichitaSooner]

When you look at how we are advancing past having terrestrial advertising and it's gonna cannibalize itself the way its going. There will be less people watching sports in general the way they do it in the long term. I know people that quit watching live sports all together because of advertising.

The ratings show otherwise. Like anything, the people who complain get a lot of attention, but the numbers show that more and more people are watching.

 

[NickZepp]

The ratings show otherwise. Like anything, the people who complain get a lot of attention, but the numbers show that more and more people are watching.

NFL hasn't hit it's ratings highs of the 90s or 00s for the most part the last couple decades. I think it's at it's highest point since 2015 this year but it's been relatively low the last decade or so.

MLB hasn't hit it's ratings highs since the 70s or 80s.

NBA hasn't been anywhere near where it was in the 2000s Laker and nowhere close to the Bulls era ratings.

College Football isn't even close to as viewed as it used to be. The big games of the 70s-90s all had way more viewers than big games today. Maybe you can argue regular viewership is up because it's on more channels and you can watch every game.

College basketball ratings have been steadily declining actually. They get decent ratings early in NCAA Tournaments, But championship games for college basketball in the 80s- early 00s would regularly get 25-32 million range they aren't even half of that.

All these get paid bigger TV deals by advertisers mostly despite not getting near the premium viewership they used to get.

 

[WichitaSooner]

NFL hasn't hit it's ratings highs of the 90s or 00s for the most part the last couple decades. I think it's at it's highest point since 2015 this year but it's been relatively low the last decade or so.

MLB hasn't hit it's ratings highs since the 70s or 80s.

NBA hasn't been anywhere near where it was in the 2000s Laker and nowhere close to the Bulls era ratings.

College Football isn't even close to as viewed as it used to be. The big games of the 70s-90s all had way more viewers than big games today. Maybe you can argue regular viewership is up because it's on more channels and you can watch every game.

College basketball ratings have been steadily declining actually. They get decent ratings early in NCAA Tournaments, But championship games for college basketball in the 80s- early 00s would regularly get 25-32 million range they aren't even half of that.

All these get paid bigger TV deals by advertisers mostly despite not getting near the premium viewership they used to get.

Comparing ratings to decade ago is apples and oranges because there are infinitely more viewing options. It’s the same reason no program will ever get ratings like the most popular network shows of the 70s and 80s. All of the sports you mention are still doing very well.

 

[WaymanFan]

Comparing ratings to decade ago is apples and oranges because there are infinitely more viewing options. It’s the same reason no program will ever get ratings like the most popular network shows of the 70s and 80s. All of the sports you mention are still doing very well.

Yup. The best example is the series finale of MASH - 106 million viewers. That was 1983. No non-sporting event since has come close, and never will. As such, you can't make comparisons to ratings from the previous century.

What might hurt college basketball in the ratings department is the fact the on-the-court product is so much worse than decades past. I was going to college back in the early-mid 1980s. The college stars then (besides Wayman of course) were Michael Jordon, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, James Worthy, Clyde Drexler, and on and on and on. There's obviously nothing close to that level of talent now in the college game because they don't stay there long enough to develop their game at the college level.

 

[BCSooners]

Yup. The best example is the series finale of MASH - 106 million viewers. That was 1983. No non-sporting event since has come close, and never will. As such, you can't make comparisons to ratings from the previous century.

What might hurt college basketball in the ratings department is the fact the on-the-court product is so much worse than decades past. I was going to college back in the early-mid 1980s. The college stars then (besides Wayman of course) were Michael Jordon, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, James Worthy, Clyde Drexler, and on and on and on. There's obviously nothing close to that level of talent now in the college game because they don't stay there long enough to develop their game at the college level.

I wouldn't have a media timeout. Only timeouts that teams call or end of quarters. Just make the timeouts longer to get the advertisements in, so just copy the NBA.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I wouldn't have a media timeout. Only timeouts that teams call or end of quarters. Just make the timeouts longer to get the advertisements in, so just copy the NBA.

Well, the NBA has far more team timeouts per game. And some of them are mandatory, so they essentially work as media timeouts.

The fastest paced games are FIBA games, but there is no way networks are going to be on board with that. FIBA games are 40 minutes, like college, but don’t take nearly as long to play.

 

[BCSooners]

Well, the NBA has far more team timeouts per game. And some of them are mandatory, so they essentially work as media timeouts.

The fastest paced games are FIBA games, but there is no way networks are going to be on board with that. FIBA games are 40 minutes, like college, but don’t take nearly as long to play.

You can make college games have mandatory timeouts, game isn't as long so I don't see NCAA needing more than 6. I'd rather have longer timeouts than more timeouts.

 

[waddys ghost]

If they went to quarters would they not be 10 minute quarters rather NBA 12's ?

 

[Skeeter1]

Too bad the ncaa hasn’t gone to four quarters yet. Everyone wants it but of course, no change.

That’s all
You do is complain about one thing or another. Cheer up ma’am.

 

[WichitaSooner]

That’s all
You do is complain about one thing or another. Cheer up ma’am.

Aw how cute. Sexist humor from our illiterate friend.

 

[BCSooners]

If they went to quarters would they not be 10 minute quarters rather NBA 12's ?

10 minute quarters

 

[Soonerguy06]

Is Marquette expecting to be good this season? I'm a little discouraged already that both scrimmages we've had we've lost. Silly since the season hasn't even started but it would make me feel better of Kansas State and mu were expected to do well this coming season?!

 

[skyvue]

Is Marquette expecting to be good this season? I'm a little discouraged already that both scrimmages we've had we've lost. Silly since the season hasn't even started but it would make me feel better of Kansas State and mu were expected to do well this coming season?!

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