I don't think it's meaningless at all. As a matter of fact, it's my favorite stat. It shows your true value as a player, because after all, isn't it about getting more points than the other team? Also, it shows the value of guys that aren't volume shooters/scorers and who do the other things, the little things. Like rebounding, defense, overall cohesiveness and glue. The things that aren't given as much attention.
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Put me on the court with Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Shaq in their prime, and my +/- will be pretty high. Because I'd be smart enough to let those guys do their thing (and they'd be smart enough not to let me touch the ball) and whichever member of the opposing team went off because of my presence on the floor would hardly make up for the talents of that foursome.
I've seen too many instances where a particular player went off -- scoring a ton of points, racking up rebounds and assists and sometimes even blocks and steals -- but because he was the rest of his team stunk, his +/- score was lousy.
Maybe it has value over the course of a full season, but even then, it's too greatly affected by who the player's teammates are to be of much use.
I've seen too many instances where a particular player went off -- scoring a ton of points, racking up rebounds and assists and sometimes even blocks and steals -- but because he was the rest of his team stunk, his +/- score was lousy.
Maybe it has value over the course of a full season, but even then, it's too greatly affected by who the player's teammates are to be of much use.
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The best way to do it is compare the teams average +/- with the players average. You can also see each lineups +/- average on the season so you can see if a player has a hike or dip when he’s with certain people.
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So, Buddy was the Elijah Harklesss in that game, the glue guy who played solid defense, rebounded well and made a couple of steals to have a positive influence on the outcome. That, I can understand.
What I don’t get is why all of those shots he missed didn’t have a greater impact on his + - score? After all, missed shots often end in a turnover that gives the opponent an opportunity to score, while resulting in zero points for your own team.
Your explanations definitely helped me to have a better understanding of the + - scoring system. I’ll stop there with a semi-positive thought and a sincere thank you for trying.
What I don’t get is why all of those shots he missed didn’t have a greater impact on his + - score? After all, missed shots often end in a turnover that gives the opponent an opportunity to score, while resulting in zero points for your own team.
Your explanations definitely helped me to have a better understanding of the + - scoring system. I’ll stop there with a semi-positive thought and a sincere thank you for trying.
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Halliburton is also out for the season so they’ve had to change their offense and Buddy has been handling it more, even though he isn’t actually playing point from what I gather. Nice to see him doing a good job with the added responsibility since ball handling has been a weakness for him.
