OU Coaches - Conference Record 1st Five Seasons

NCAA Tourney record in first 5 years.

Jeff Capel 4-2
Billy Tubbs 4-3
Kelvin Sampson 2-5
Dave Bliss 1-1
 
NCAA Tourney record in first 5 years.

Jeff Capel 4-2
Billy Tubbs 4-3
Kelvin Sampson 2-5
Dave Bliss 1-1

And I know people here don't like to hear this, but any stat involving a Blake Griffin team skews the results.

Reason being, is that Capel cannot consistently recruit THAT caliber of player to OU. Only two players in my lifetime, and both were from the state of Oklahoma. Oklahoma doesn't produce that kind of talent often. And when we do, OU doesn't always keep it at home.

Yes, congrats to Capel for landing Blake, coaching him up to what ever degree you believe he did, and winning with him. But you cannot use those years as a gauge for anything Capel can/will do at OU without that talented of a player.
 
Yes, congrats to Capel for landing Blake, coaching him up to what ever degree you believe he did, and winning with him. But you cannot use those years as a gauge for anything Capel can/will do at OU without that talented of a player.

You can't judge Capel by what he has done. Riiiiiiiiight.

By that logic, you can't judge Capel this year because he will have much more talented rosters in the future.
 
No doubt, Capel should be sending Blake thank-you cards on a weekly basis...BG is the primary reason that Capel got a raise and is still a Norman resident. Living off the past must be nice.
 
and i know people here don't like to hear this, but any stat involving a blake griffin team skews the results.

Reason being, is that capel cannot consistently recruit that caliber of player to ou. Only two players in my lifetime, and both were from the state of oklahoma. Oklahoma doesn't produce that kind of talent often. And when we do, ou doesn't always keep it at home.

Yes, congrats to capel for landing blake, coaching him up to what ever degree you believe he did, and winning with him. But you cannot use those years as a gauge for anything capel can/will do at ou without that talented of a player.

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You can't judge Capel by what he has done. Riiiiiiiiight.

By that logic, you can't judge Capel this year because he will have much more talented rosters in the future.

Better not judge Dean Smith on his wins with all of his hall-of-famers either...how awful can the hate get around here...
 
Okay in the 2 seasons with that one play Capel won 53 games lost 18. In the 3 seasons not involving Blake his record is 41-44 with 3 games left this season.

You know how hard it is to have 5 years with 1 30 win seasons and still win less than 60% of your games after 5 years? I doubt there has ever been a coach that has done that.
 
Better not judge Dean Smith on his wins with all of his hall-of-famers either...how awful can the hate get around here...

This kind of logic is just retarded. Dean Smith got good players and turned them into better players. Yes good players wanted to play for him, sue him. He knew how to coach. Capel takes good players and gets them cut from the NBDL. The one guy that was above Capel's crap coaching was Blake. Replace Blake on those OU NCAA rosters with Fitz and you have teams that are 12-16. Blake made Capel and it'll never be the other way around.

The way good coaches get good players is by being good coaches.
 
Better not judge Dean Smith on his wins with all of his hall-of-famers either...how awful can the hate get around here...
Dean Smith consistently got hall of fame players. Coach K consistently gets great players, Kansas consistently gets great players. Oklahoma we consistently get good players. Every couple years we get a guy like Hollis, Najera, Mookie Blaylock, Stacey King, Wayman Tisdale, Blake. But at places like UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke they can get big name players a lot. Oklahoma won't get those guys consistently.

And before you say TMG, Gallon and Warren. Warren is an NBA talent. TMG and Gallon really weren't. TMG is a 5-9 2 guard. Those don't exist in the NBA. Gallon may have been an NBA player in a few years. He had a long way to go.
 
You can't judge Capel by what he has done. Riiiiiiiiight.

By that logic, you can't judge Capel this year because he will have much more talented rosters in the future.

If you want to keep using faulty logic, I'm not going to stop you. I'm simply going to point out that it is faulty.

And I never used the word "judge", you did. I said gauge. Predict. If you are trying to use past performance to predict future performance, the only way to do that is to predict what kind of talent you expect Capel to have in the future. Sure, it will likely be more than this year (although it isn't looking good for that happening next year), but I'd say on average, it'll be on the level of his first team at OU, a lot moreso then the teams Blake played on.

If you think Capel can consistently recruit Blake-like players to OU fine. I disagree. Big time. But you are entitled to your opinion.

And don't forget, on paper, this team is much more talented then it has played up to. It has 3 top 125 HS players on it. It has two other Oklahoma POY's. It has a pg that won some award as a freshman last year in another D1 league. Newell was said to have top 125 talent, just underranked for a variety of reasons.

As a comparison, best I can tell, using one of the recruiting sites as reference, none of TT, ISU, Nebraska, or Colorado signed a single top 150 player in the last 3 years.

And I'd guess we're pretty comparable, recruit ranking-wise, to at least one or two other Big 12 teams. So the question is, why is Capel doing so much less with that talent? And just how many top 150 players do you expect him to keep on the roster, on average? Because my guess is, that is pretty much on par with most seasons in the last 15 years, save the Final Four team, and possibly the freshman year of Lav/Mac/Foust.
 
This kind of logic is just retarded. Dean Smith got good players and turned them into better players. Yes good players wanted to play for him, sue him. He knew how to coach. Capel takes good players and gets them cut from the NBDL. The one guy that was above Capel's crap coaching was Blake. Replace Blake on those OU NCAA rosters with Fitz and you have teams that are 12-16. Blake made Capel and it'll never be the other way around.

The way good coaches get good players is by being good coaches.
Exactly comparing Capel to Coach K, Dean Smith or any other good coach is stupid. He doesn't have the resume those guys had.
 
Better not judge Dean Smith on his wins with all of his hall-of-famers either...how awful can the hate get around here...

Not so good with simple logic are you?

Dean Smith recruited HOF'ers on a consistent basis. That was PAR for him.

Do you really think Capel can consistently recruit a player like Blake to OU?

Surely you can follow that logic. If not, I have to think you either aren't very smart, or simply have an agenda.
 
If you want to keep using faulty logic, I'm not going to stop you. I'm simply going to point out that it is faulty.

And I never used the word "judge", you did. I said gauge. Predict. If you are trying to use past performance to predict future performance, the only way to do that is to predict what kind of talent you expect Capel to have in the future. Sure, it will likely be more than this year (although it isn't looking good for that happening next year), but I'd say on average, it'll be on the level of his first team at OU, a lot moreso then the teams Blake played on.

If you think Capel can consistently recruit Blake-like players to OU fine. I disagree. Big time. But you are entitled to your opinion.

And don't forget, on paper, this team is much more talented then it has played up to. It has 3 top 125 HS players on it. It has two other Oklahoma POY's. It has a pg that won some award as a freshman last year in another D1 league. Newell was said to have top 125 talent, just underranked for a variety of reasons.

As a comparison, best I can tell, using one of the recruiting sites as reference, none of TT, ISU, Nebraska, or Colorado signed a single top 150 player in the last 3 years.


And I'd guess we're pretty comparable, recruit ranking-wise, to at least one or two other Big 12 teams. So the question is, why is Capel doing so much less with that talent? And just how many top 150 players do you expect him to keep on the roster, on average? Because my guess is, that is pretty much on par with most seasons in the last 15 years, save the Final Four team, and possibly the freshman year of Lav/Mac/Foust.

-----Careful the liberal Capel supporters do not take facts very well------
 
If you want to keep using faulty logic, I'm not going to stop you. I'm simply going to point out that it is faulty.

And I never used the word "judge", you did. I said gauge. Predict. If you are trying to use past performance to predict future performance, the only way to do that is to predict what kind of talent you expect Capel to have in the future. Sure, it will likely be more than this year (although it isn't looking good for that happening next year), but I'd say on average, it'll be on the level of his first team at OU, a lot moreso then the teams Blake played on.

If you think Capel can consistently recruit Blake-like players to OU fine. I disagree. Big time. But you are entitled to your opinion.

And don't forget, on paper, this team is much more talented then it has played up to. It has 3 top 125 HS players on it. It has two other Oklahoma POY's. It has a pg that won some award as a freshman last year in another D1 league. Newell was said to have top 125 talent, just underranked for a variety of reasons.

As a comparison, best I can tell, using one of the recruiting sites as reference, none of TT, ISU, Nebraska, or Colorado signed a single top 150 player in the last 3 years.

And I'd guess we're pretty comparable, recruit ranking-wise, to at least one or two other Big 12 teams. So the question is, why is Capel doing so much less with that talent? And just how many top 150 players do you expect him to keep on the roster, on average? Because my guess is, that is pretty much on par with most seasons in the last 15 years, save the Final Four team, and possibly the freshman year of Lav/Mac/Foust.

I don't claim nor care to follow recruiting that much. I look at the actual stats of players we have coming in but that's about it. But if this is true that we have players actually ranked higher than people are claiming then what we are doing is pretty pathetic.

I don't really follow OSU's recruiting either. But they don't seem to have much more talent than we have either. Their best guard is basically a 5-9 2 guard.
 
If you want to keep using faulty logic, I'm not going to stop you. I'm simply going to point out that it is faulty.

And I never used the word "judge", you did. I said gauge. Predict. If you are trying to use past performance to predict future performance, the only way to do that is to predict what kind of talent you expect Capel to have in the future. Sure, it will likely be more than this year (although it isn't looking good for that happening next year), but I'd say on average, it'll be on the level of his first team at OU, a lot moreso then the teams Blake played on.

If you think Capel can consistently recruit Blake-like players to OU fine. I disagree. Big time. But you are entitled to your opinion.

And don't forget, on paper, this team is much more talented then it has played up to. It has 3 top 125 HS players on it. It has two other Oklahoma POY's. It has a pg that won some award as a freshman last year in another D1 league. Newell was said to have top 125 talent, just underranked for a variety of reasons.

As a comparison, best I can tell, using one of the recruiting sites as reference, none of TT, ISU, Nebraska, or Colorado signed a single top 150 player in the last 3 years.

And I'd guess we're pretty comparable, recruit ranking-wise, to at least one or two other Big 12 teams. So the question is, why is Capel doing so much less with that talent? And just how many top 150 players do you expect him to keep on the roster, on average? Because my guess is, that is pretty much on par with most seasons in the last 15 years, save the Final Four team, and possibly the freshman year of Lav/Mac/Foust.

I can't even keep up with the anti-Capel rhetoric any longer. I've been told this team has no talent. Now you tell me that we have a decent amount of it. Whatever.

Look, i'm not 100% against letting Capel go, but not because of the job he's done this year. I think we've gotten a lot out of very little.

It cannot be aruged that the current situation is acceptable, it isn't. If Capel gets fired, he get fired. I just happen to think Capel will get us to the dance next year.
 
Not so good with simple logic are you?

Dean Smith recruited HOF'ers on a consistent basis. That was PAR for him.

Do you really think Capel can consistently recruit a player like Blake to OU?

Surely you can follow that logic. If not, I have to think you either aren't very smart, or simply have an agenda.

I'm fine with it. I'm not the one making asinine statements because I'm mad about a team losing at an expected clip this year.

I'm pretty sure you add one decent post player to THIS YEAR'S team and they're above .500. You say they need great players to win...well, according to you, there's no great recruits in Okla year in and year out, but for some reason OU was one of the winning programs thru the 80s and really good in the 90s and has been up til the past two years a good program.

I'm amazed that your great analytical skills allow you to accept just how good of a program we've had...
 
I can't even keep up with the anti-Capel rhetoric any longer. I've been told this team has no talent. Now you tell me that we have a decent amount of it. Whatever.

Look, i'm not 100% against letting Capel go, but not because of the job he's done this year. I think we've gotten a lot out of very little.

It cannot be aruged that the current situation is acceptable, it isn't. If Capel gets fired, he get fired. I just happen to think Capel will get us to the dance next year.

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