'23 Coaching Carousel Thread

[Eielson]

OR…he wins at Wichita state and does very well. Then he takes the OU job and recruits like a boss from Houston to Kansas City, wins a national title at OU and changes the culture forever.

That's also a possibility. Right now, WSU is about the best job he could hope to land without HC experience. Success at a place like WSU opens a lot of doors not currently open to him, including OU.

 

[WTSooner]

I can easily think of at least a million reasons he'd take the WSU job, as that's about how much I expect his salary to be increased. Kelvin may retire if he wins a national championship, but otherwise, I think he's looking at least 2-3 more years, which could easily turn into 5. Kellen has been an assistant there for almost a decade, so I can't imagine waiting another 5 years when you know you're as ready as you'll ever be.

As long as Kellen can maintain 20-25 win seasons at WSU, the UH job is likely his if he wants it in 3 years. That shouldn't be hard to do in the AAC, which is getting weaker and will artificially inflate their record. If he wasn't going to be able to do that at WSU, there's no way he was going to be able to keep his job long at UH in the Big XII. Given the time he's spent at UH already, it's unlikely a couple more years in the area will bolster his recruiting or help him grow as a coach. He can develop new recruiting relationships in Kansas and surrounding areas, and regardless of how well he does at WSU, he'll be better prepared to take over at UH.

The other benefit of WSU is that it would give him credibility for doing something outside of his father's shadow. It would give him more credibility with recruits and drive up his salary at UH. They may guarantee him the UH job after Kelvin retires, but that may only mean a 1M salary. A few 20-25 win season at WSU quickly bumps him up to 2M, and if he has a 30 win Sweet 16 year prior to Kelvin's retirement, he could take over at closer to the 4M price point his father is commanding.

Money is likely a non-factor.

UH job > WSU job - If he fails to have immediate success at WSU (and I mentioned in my OP why/how that could happen), he may never get a shot to go back to UH, which again, is the better job.

Easier to recruit at UH. MUCH easier even.

He doesn't need to prove himself, as like already mentioned, he is already the HC in Waiting at UH.

I doubt it would be 5 more years at UH as an assistant. You yourself said another 2-3 seems most likely. That shouldn't be a tough period to wait thru for Kellen.

 

[StoopsBros]

Very unimportant on an OU message board but some of these ADs/decision makers need to get fired for not trying.

Charleston Southern has had four losing seasons in a row. Radebaugh has a winning of percentage of 41% at CS in 18 years. Clearly, he's not doing a great job. I don't care about the hurdles. You have a court, a ball, and should be able to figure it out in 18 years.

To top it off, they're losing their best players.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1635653371808940039?s=20[/TWEET]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1635388317255733248?s=20[/TWEET]


They also have to share the same city/town with College of Charleston (or now known as just Charleston). Technically, Charleston Southern, weirdly enough, is in North Charleston. It's a talent-rich area (SC, GA, FL).

At what point do you say, "let's get another coach, let's actually give a chit"? Ah, whatever.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1635660139070980096[/TWEET]

 

[Eielson]

Money is likely a non-factor.

UH job > WSU job - If he fails to have immediate success at WSU (and I mentioned in my OP why/how that could happen), he may never get a shot to go back to UH, which again, is the better job.

Easier to recruit at UH. MUCH easier even.

He doesn't need to prove himself, as like already mentioned, he is already the HC in Waiting at UH.

I doubt it would be 5 more years at UH as an assistant. You yourself said another 2-3 seems most likely. That shouldn't be a tough period to wait thru for Kellen.

Money is definitely a factor. Very few people can casually turn down a million dollars a year, and most of those have exponentially more in their bank account than Kellen. Most people like to step out of daddy's shadow and accomplish something on their own.

He may not succeed at WSU, but if he doesn't, there's very little chance he'd succeed at UH. It's a better job currently, but it's also harder. The AAC is losing two of its top three teams this year, which likely equates to a 2-3 win bump even if he keeps things status quo, landing him in the 20-win range without improving anything. UH is about to become a way riskier job in the basketball-loaded Big XII. Fumbling his daddy's dynasty would be far more detrimental to his long-term coaching outlook than WSU.

 

[StoopsBros]

Very unimportant on an OU message board but some of these ADs/decision makers need to get fired for not trying.

Charleston Southern has had four losing seasons in a row. Radebaugh has a winning of percentage of 41% at CS in 18 years. Clearly, he's not doing a great job. I don't care about the hurdles. You have a court, a ball, and should be able to figure it out in 18 years.

To top it off, they're losing their best players.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1635653371808940039?s=20[/TWEET]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1635388317255733248?s=20[/TWEET]


They also have to share the same city/town with College of Charleston (or now known as just Charleston). Technically, Charleston Southern, weirdly enough, is in North Charleston. It's a talent-rich area (SC, GA, FL).

At what point do you say, "let's get another coach, let's actually give a chit"? Ah, whatever.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1635660139070980096[/TWEET]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1635664047533072385[/TWEET]

 

[BCSooners]

Money is likely a non-factor.

UH job > WSU job - If he fails to have immediate success at WSU (and I mentioned in my OP why/how that could happen), he may never get a shot to go back to UH, which again, is the better job.

Easier to recruit at UH. MUCH easier even.

He doesn't need to prove himself, as like already mentioned, he is already the HC in Waiting at UH.

I doubt it would be 5 more years at UH as an assistant. You yourself said another 2-3 seems most likely. That shouldn't be a tough period to wait thru for Kellen.

Money is definitely a factor. If he isn’t going to succeed at WSU, then he probably won’t at UH since they are headed to the big12. Maybe UH isn’t his dream job, his dad has had to do amazing things with the program for them to invest. They could easily stop caring when they aren’t great every year.

I’m actually impressed he’s taking this leap before his dad retires.

Just saw this post & replied. If I’d of scrolled I would’ve just said ditto to Eielson.

 

[StoopsBros]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1635678247055765516[/TWEET]

Moser is at $2.8 per year.


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Sounds like Todd Simon (Southern Utah HC) is going to end up at Bowling Green. Meh. His salary would likely go from around $200K to $400-500K.

 

[WTSooner]

Money is definitely a factor. If he isn’t going to succeed at WSU, then he probably won’t at UH since they are headed to the big12. Maybe UH isn’t his dream job, his dad has had to do amazing things with the program for them to invest. They could easily stop caring when they aren’t great every year.

I’m actually impressed he’s taking this leap before his dad retires.

Just saw this post & replied. If I’d of scrolled I would’ve just said ditto to Eielson.

If money were a major factor, he'd have left last year. Or the year before.

 

[BCSooners]

If money were a major factor, he'd have left last year. Or the year before.

What head coaching jobs was he offered last year? Not trying to be smart, I really don’t know.

 

[StoopsBros]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1635678247055765516[/TWEET]

Moser is at $2.8 per year.


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Sounds like Todd Simon (Southern Utah HC) is going to end up at Bowling Green. Meh. His salary would likely go from around $200K to $400-500K.

11:30^

12:20...

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1635692494447947799[/TWEET]

 

[StoopsBros]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1635722433843040256[/TWEET]


28 Openings
8 Filled jobs

 

[StoopsBros]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1635734720951603202?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[StoopsBros]

Wisconsin-Green Bay was reportedly entertaining the idea of hiring Doug Gottlieb as HC.

Instead, it's trending towards a Wyoming assistant named Sundance Wicks. Okay then.

Edit: I guess it's a done deal (didn't see this tweet).

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/ScottVenci/status/1635744626031095808[/TWEET]

26 openings
9 filled jobs

Arkansas State could be tomorrow. The HC's buyout drops, lol.

 

[StoopsBros]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1635774062868971521[/TWEET]

 

[StoopsBros]

Samurai brings up a great point, some schools are waiting for buyouts to drop...

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/samurai_hoops/status/1636005759594151937[/TWEET]

Today, Arkansas State's buyout (of Mike Balado) drops from $375K to half that ($187,500).

April 1? Porter Moser. Not that I'm expecting a change at OU...but if there is one, we're waiting until after April 1.

 

[StoopsBros]

Little Rock is up to 6-7 kids who've jumped into the portal. Probably signals a HCing change.

 

[StoopsBros]

Also, rumors have it that Dayton's Anthony Grant is retiring. It's been talked about for about a week or so. Dayton declined to play in the postseason and the talk really picked up.

 

[CoachTalk]

Tech hiring Unlv asst. I’ve been told

 

[MJSooner]

Tech hiring Unlv asst. I’ve been told

Would that be Peery? That would make sense. I think he was only with KK for one year and is a former HC back west. I think he was previously an AHC at Tech under Adams.

Good coach and wouldn't be a bad hire, just not sure how strong his recruiting ties are in Texas going forward in the new Big XII as he spent most of his time out west.

 

[opsooner]

Tech hiring Unlv asst. I’ve been told

Makes sense. Going from bible verses to sin city.


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