OSU is turrible

[stoops4pres]

Re: OSU is terrible

...... So, in review I guess that we learned that as Sooner fans, we can only go after our rivals when we are A) really good at said sport, or B) Have a better season going than said rival. HMMMMMMM?? Never knew that. I was under the impression that it was okay to hate os-who/texa$$ at all times. With this newfound knowledge, maybe I will venture over to g0pokes.com, or orangebloods.com and start a thread about how great Coach Stoops is. See how long that lasts......

Exactly. Its a rivalry for a reason... You can hate on Texas and Little Brother all you want, regardless of circumstance.

 

[HoHum]

Re: OSU is terrible

Can't disagree with your points, and Ford>Capel certainly has a point (although I'd still take Capel).

But would you mind clarifying the "VCU's fortune's improved once Grant took over"? It seems to me you are implying that Capel shouldn't get much credit for that. IMO, Grant should partly thank Capel for leaving Grant the program in such good shape. I just think that if you are going to credit Ford for improving EKU and UMass, Capel deserves the same for VCU as well.

Grant won three straight conference regular season titles after Capel left and made two tournaments in three years. Capel won one in four years, not making any tournament at all his last year.

This is all just surface observations, so I don't know what VCU was before Capel got there or how much of the talent that Grant won with was Capel's. But, it looks like Grant did a better job than Capel did. But, coaching at a small school like that is very volatile, so he probably did a good job.

But, my main argument is OU is nowhere near as solid as they were when he arrived.

But, it was all a little knee jerk anyways, in response to Boca.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Re: OSU is terrible

How is this thread Exhibit A?

Just cause in his opinion OSU is not good? Or that he likes Capel more?

If you werent an OSU fan it might look a little harsh, but i doubt you would take it so personal...

I dont agree that OSU sucks, but that's my opinion...just because your opinion of them differs doesnt make him lack knowledge...you guys crack me up cause you allow him to toy with you (only because i once was in the same position)...

Are you serious?

His opinion is that "OSU sucks" and "Ford sucks" and "Ford is a hillbilly".... and Capel is better than Ford for the above reasons.

I really have to explain why that line of thinking is full retard?

I don't know that we have enough data to definitively say who is "better" between Ford and Capel, but the data is certainly trending toward Ford.

So far, we know that Ford is 2-for-2 in getting OSU to the NCAA tournament.

We know that Capel is successful when he has a once-in-a-generation freak on his roster, but has a losing record without said freak.

We also know that he had to blow up his roster and bascially start from scratch in year 5.

It will be interesting to see where Ford has OSU two years from now. I'm not going to make any brash predictions, other than to say I doubt we're blowing up and starting from scratch.

 

[scrybe]

Re: OSU is terrible

Could someone tell me why the aggies are allowed to come to an OU board and talk trash about our program and coach? I don't care what some of you think of Capel, this is just wrong.

 

[stoops4pres]

Re: OSU is terrible

Grant won three straight conference regular season titles after Capel left and made two tournaments in three years. Capel won one in four years, not making any tournament at all his last year.

This is all just surface observations, so I don't know what VCU was before Capel got there or how much of the talent that Grant won with was Capel's. But, it looks like Grant did a better job than Capel did. But, coaching at a small school like that is very volatile, so he probably did a good job.

But, my main argument is OU is nowhere near as solid as they were when he arrived.

But, it was all a little knee jerk anyways, in response to Boca.

Well to my knowledge and I didn't delve much into it, but Capel didn't exactly inherit much talent when he arrived at VCU in 2002. He took them to the NCAA Tournament the next year for the first time in nearly 10 years.

And yes Grant had a bit more compared to Capel, but I think that is greatly attributed to the players Capel left over (Maynor, etc). Grant did have a better resume, but like I said that is greatly credited to the foundation Capel set for him, which I think shouldn't be overlooked.

 

[5hrenergy]

Re: OSU is terrible

Man it's late, I could use a 5 hr energy.

 

[WaymanFan]

Re: OSU is terrible

Grant won three straight conference regular season titles after Capel left and made two tournaments in three years. Capel won one in four years, not making any tournament at all his last year.

I've already destroyed your Capel vs Grant argument, but feel free to keep your futile effort going. Grant is a good coach, but his success rate should have been much higher than Capel's at VCU because he inherited much more talent, not to mention a guy currently playing in the NBA. The only reason more posters haven't completely discredited you is because they don't like Capel. It doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong. Please move on to a topic which you have a leg to stand on.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Re: OSU is terrible

I've already destroyed your Capel vs Grant argument, but feel free to keep your futile effort going. Grant is a good coach, but his success rate should have been much higher than Capel's at VCU because he inherited much more talent, not to mention a guy currently playing in the NBA. The only reason more posters haven't completely discredited you is because they don't like Capel. It doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong. Please move on to a topic which you have a leg to stand on.

:clap:clap

Which is really sad to me. We have SOONERS on here bashing Boca because he went after os-who. I'm still trying to understand that one. Hate to see what the board does when he takes a dump on texa$$.Maybe some of you big time SOONER donors and supporters who feel privileged to bash OUr coach because you boughtr a ticket and gave a check, can join with the poke posters and stand in front of Ford's door singing Amazing Grace or something. Don't forget to hang a pic of Rodney King in honor of the occasion.

 

[thebigabd]

Re: OSU is terrible

Man it's late, I could use a 5 hr energy.

Well played, sir.

Which is really sad to me. We have SOONERS on here bashing Boca because he went after os-who.

Boca hates OSU with a passion. Most on this board don't have blind, silly hatred towards a particular school and can see and admit when they are good, and when they aren't. I don't know that OSU sucks this year, they have some good pieces and are 11-2 but certainly didnt look good the other night against Gonzaga.

I like Boca, he is one of my favorite posters. We agree more often than not on the NBA board, and I enjoy reading his take on the business side of the NBA. We also talk about golf a little bit, and I know he follows the PGA as well. Furthermore, I enjoy some of his opinions on business, investments, etc. I don't agree with all of his politics or the way he talks down to people sometimes, but I don't think he means any harm.

Differing opinions keep the board interesting, and boca has strong opinions that are worthy of discussion, and that is always a good thing.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: OSU is terrible

I don't really think it's wrong to say OSU isn't any good. They've pretty much proven that they are pretty average at best. The thing is I would love to say right now that OU is pretty average. That would be good for OU. Boca basically thinks we are better than OSU, when we probably aren't much better than Central Arkansas. And they don't have 5 Scottie Pippen's playing on that roster.

 

[stoops4pres]

Re: OSU is terrible

Grant is a good coach, but his success rate should have been much higher than Capel's at VCU because he inherited much more talent, not to mention a guy currently playing in the NBA.

This.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Re: OSU is terrible

Well played, sir.



Boca hates OSU with a passion. Most on this board don't have blind, silly hatred towards a particular school and can see and admit when they are good, and when they aren't. I don't know that OSU sucks this year, they have some good pieces and are 11-2 but certainly didnt look good the other night against Gonzaga.

I like Boca, he is one of my favorite posters. We agree more often than not on the NBA board, and I enjoy reading his take on the business side of the NBA. We also talk about golf a little bit, and I know he follows the PGA as well. Furthermore, I enjoy some of his opinions on business, investments, etc. I don't agree with all of his politics or the way he talks down to people sometimes, but I don't think he means any harm.

Differing opinions keep the board interesting, and boca has strong opinions that are worthy of discussion, and that is always a good thing.

With all due respect Big, I'm probably a little bit older than you, but I personally have listened to Barry Switzer on campus corner bashing texa$$ and os-who. I have spent time with Sooner greats like Spencer Tillman, Mark Clayton, Stacy King, and Wayman& William Tisdale. They all had fun bashing os-who and texa$$. You call it blind, silly hatred, I call it Bedlam and the Red River Shootout. You say that Boca can't credit os-who, and I say that even when we go 0-100, I will join Boca, Switzer, and Sky King in hating everything poke and horn.....

Lighten up a bit guys. There is nothing wrong with hating your rivals. I personally love Poke J, BLH who is a die hard horn, and many others, but when it comes to sports, I'm a die-hard Sooner fanatic, and they are die-hards to whatever team they love. I will respect them as people, and bash their team even if they beat us by 100.

Go over to gopokes and see just how much respect and admiration you get if you admit to being a Sooner. I gurantee you that mvp,sawyer, and a few others have said stuff here about OU that would get me banned if I said it about os-who over there......

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

Re: OSU is terrible

With all due respect Big, I'm probably a little bit older than you, but I personally have listened to Barry Switzer on campus corner bashing texa$$ and os-who. I have spent time with Sooner greats like Spencer Tillman, Mark Clayton, Stacy King, and Wayman& William Tisdale. They all had fun bashing os-who and texa$$. You call it blind, silly hatred, I call it Bedlam and the Red River Shootout. You say that Boca can't credit os-who, and I say that even when we go 0-100, I will join Boca, Switzer, and Sky King in hating everything poke and horn.....

Lighten up a bit guys. There is nothing wrong with hating your rivals. I personally love Poke J, BLH who is a die hard horn, and many others, but when it comes to sports, I'm a die-hard Sooner fanatic, and they are die-hards to whatever team they love. I will respect them as people, and bash their team even if they beat us by 100.

Go over to gopokes and see just how much respect and admiration you get if you admit to being a Sooner. I gurantee you that mvp,sawyer, and a few others have said stuff here about OU that would get me banned if I said it about os-who over there......

I remember when Jmizz was a lovable old coot. What happened?:facepalm

 

[T Shirt Time!]

Re: OSU is terrible

Man osu is soo good, they are the best in the conference. Trust me they are going to be 16 - 0 and win it all. No one can touch them. Travis Ford is amazing.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Re: OSU is terrible

Well played, sir.



Boca hates OSU with a passion. Most on this board don't have blind, silly hatred towards a particular school and can see and admit when they are good, and when they aren't. I don't know that OSU sucks this year, they have some good pieces and are 11-2 but certainly didnt look good the other night against Gonzaga.

I like Boca, he is one of my favorite posters. We agree more often than not on the NBA board, and I enjoy reading his take on the business side of the NBA. We also talk about golf a little bit, and I know he follows the PGA as well. Furthermore, I enjoy some of his opinions on business, investments, etc. I don't agree with all of his politics or the way he talks down to people sometimes, but I don't think he means any harm.

Differing opinions keep the board interesting, and boca has strong opinions that are worthy of discussion, and that is always a good thing.

:clap

I agree with this. Just think how boring this message board would be if we all had to believe the exact same thing. Who would want to participate if it were that way? Communist Russia used to be this way. Everybody was told how to think and what to think and I can't imagine living in a world like that.

My only problem with Boca is he does resort to name calling at times, but other than that I enjoy his posts. I think they invoke thought which is always good and more discussion.

 

[HoHum]

Re: OSU is terrible

I've already destroyed your Capel vs Grant argument, but feel free to keep your futile effort going. Grant is a good coach, but his success rate should have been much higher than Capel's at VCU because he inherited much more talent, not to mention a guy currently playing in the NBA. The only reason more posters haven't completely discredited you is because they don't like Capel. It doesn't change the fact you're completely wrong. Please move on to a topic which you have a leg to stand on.

You didn't destroy anything, using anecdotal evidence is not destroying. Also hard to 'destroy' with two sentences, but anyways. Did a little researching (source: statsheet.com...awesome website, by the way).

Using that website, I looked at how many players Grant inherited from Capel. Grant's first year, 7 guys played that played for Capel the previous year. The next season 3 and the season after that, 1. Eric Maynor. All the other guys by 2008-2009 were Grant's recruits. Although, I don't know which freshman Grant's first year were already signed by Capel and decided to stick around or were late period guys by Grant.

Looking at kenpom, here are their ratings for the 4 years Capel was at VCU: 101, 73 (NCAA tournament), 123, and 110. Then the three years Grant took over: 66, 76 and 53. Just for kicks, since you said VCU 'is no better now than they were with Jeff Capel, last year they were 49 on kenpom under Shaka Smart, without Eric Maynor.

So, I think it is certainly a valid discussion point (VCU's improvement post-Capel) Just doesn't seem as obvious to me, especially after looking a little deeper that VCU improved solely because of the talent that Grant inherited. At least it's not as obvious as you seem to think it is.

 

[T Shirt Time!]

Re: OSU is terrible

Why are these things always pissing contests?

Why don't we all just meet and settle this man to man and stop talking about who is the best and start showing it.

 

[WaymanFan]

Re: OSU is terrible

You didn't destroy anything, using anecdotal evidence is not destroying. Also hard to 'destroy' with two sentences, but anyways. Did a little researching (source: statsheet.com...awesome website, by the way).

Using that website, I looked at how many players Grant inherited from Capel. Grant's first year, 7 guys played that played for Capel the previous year. The next season 3 and the season after that, 1. Eric Maynor. All the other guys by 2008-2009 were Grant's recruits. Although, I don't know which freshman Grant's first year were already signed by Capel and decided to stick around or were late period guys by Grant.

Looking at kenpom, here are their ratings for the 4 years Capel was at VCU: 101, 73 (NCAA tournament), 123, and 110. Then the three years Grant took over: 66, 76 and 53. Just for kicks, since you said VCU 'is no better now than they were with Jeff Capel, last year they were 49 on kenpom under Shaka Smart, without Eric Maynor.

So, I think it is certainly a valid discussion point (VCU's improvement post-Capel) Just doesn't seem as obvious to me, especially after looking a little deeper that VCU improved solely because of the talent that Grant inherited. At least it's not as obvious as you seem to think it is.

HoHum, did you look at VCU's records PRIOR to Coach Capel's arrival? If you did, you would see that they were a slightly above .500 team on average for the previous 17 years.

Jeff's predecesor left things on a good note, so I'll admit to being wrong about that. However, Jeff is the one who started to bring them back to their glory years of the early/mid 1980s. No doubt Anthony Grant did a great job of picking things up after Capel left (inheriting a sophomore-to-be who is now in the NBA didn't hurt), and took them all the way back to those glorious years. Still, it was indeed Jeff who started their rise back up.

 

[Dignon003]

Re: OSU is terrible

HoHum, did you look at VCU's records PRIOR to Coach Capel's arrival? If you did, you would see that they were a slightly above .500 team on average for the previous 17 years.

Jeff's predecesor left things on a good note, so I'll admit to being wrong about that. However, Jeff is the one who started to bring them back to their glory years of the early/mid 1980s. No doubt Anthony Grant did a great job of picking things up after Capel left (inheriting a sophomore-to-be who is now in the NBA didn't hurt), and took them all the way back to those glorious years. Still, it was indeed Jeff who started their rise back up.

Just to go back to the root of this discussion. Look at Cambelsville, Eastern Kentucky, UMASS and OSU before Ford got to each place.

 

[Max Power]

Re: OSU is terrible

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