Lattin Stats

[pnkranger]

Also, he is program altering because he gives us what we miss most: depth in the post.

 

[StatGeek]

Lattin's a four star recruit with an impressive offer sheet and write-ups in USA Today and Sports Illustrated; so, I think there is plenty to be excited about.

Exactly, the kid has big time potential. Will he come to Norman and avg a quadruple double? No, but there is zero reason to diminish his accomplishments and/or abilities.

I will never understand those who think they have an informed opinion after 5 minutes worth of google searches. SMH

 

[CoachTalk]

Lattin's team play Sunrise a couple times. The last time, Lattin's team winning by 22.
Sunrise has about 6-7 D1 players... JUST FYI.

 

[Max Power]

These are alot of the same people that were saying jordan woodard was just a three star that was going to have to ride the pine this year.

 

[DenverSooner]

Here are the highlights from summer 2013 on Lattin. Looks comparable to Bennett. He's got potential but will need some work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GnYKvP1mUo

If by that you mean he jumps like Bennett then I guess I can agree because Bennett has a pretty good vertical; however, there was nothing on that tape that remotely resembles anything Bennett has done in a game this season. Bennett does not knock down 10-15 foot shots. Bennett does not look smooth around the basket. Bennett cannot handle the ball as well.

Don't take this wrong, I am not insulting Bennett but Lattin is much better.

 

[DenverSooner]

Didn't look like a program altering talent to me and definitely no goosebumps. Hope I'm proven wrong.

You are wrong. You are very, very wrong. Lattin is an amazing talent. He will not be Ryan Spangler his first season but he is going to be very, very good. His mom and paternal grandfather played professional basketball.

This is grandpa:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lattin

This is mom:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lamb-Powell

This is Khadeem:http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124519/khadeem-lattin

 

[WTSooner]

His mom and paternal grandfather played professional basketball.

This is grandpa:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lattin

This is mom:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lamb-Powell

This is Khadeem:http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124519/khadeem-lattin

You keep saying this like it means a lot.

You realize that the percentage of great athletes' kids that are anywhere near as good as their parents or whatever, is probably miniscule, right?

Heck, look at Jordan's sons compared to Jordan.

The fact that his mom and grandfather played professionally doesn't really mean much.

 

[garyeb2]

You keep saying this like it means a lot.

You realize that the percentage of great athletes' kids that are anywhere near as good as their parents or whatever, is probably miniscule, right?

Heck, look at Jordan's sons compared to Jordan.

The fact that his mom and grandfather played professionally doesn't really mean much.

I could probably come up with a 150 major league baseball players that had sons that played major league baseball. Add in minor league players that had sons played major league ball and the list gets bigger. (I've already looked it up.)

Yes, the pct. of great players that have sons that are great players is small. However, that small pct. is still the best predictor and most reliable precursor to athletic success.

 

[DenverSooner]

I could probably come up with a 150 major league baseball players that had sons that played major league baseball. Add in minor league players that had sons played major league ball and the list gets bigger. (I've already looked it up.)

Yes, the pct. of great players that have sons that are great players is small. However, that small pct. is still the best predictor and most reliable precursor to athletic success.

Exactly. Genetics are a fact. Your dad being Michael Jordan doesn't mean you will be Michael Jordan but it does mean you have a hell of a lot better chance of being the next MIchael Jordan than some 5'10" son of an accountant.

 

[WTSooner]

I could probably come up with a 150 major league baseball players that had sons that played major league baseball. Add in minor league players that had sons played major league ball and the list gets bigger. (I've already looked it up.)

Yes, the pct. of great players that have sons that are great players is small. However, that small pct. is still the best predictor and most reliable precursor to athletic success.

Baseball is a little different b/c of the number of guys playing major league ball, minor league ball, independent league ball, and college ball at any given time.

I still think my point stands. Nobody is saying Lattin won't be a good player in time. I think the only push back is against those expecting his ridiculous HS stats this year to immediately translate to college, or those trying to use his lineage as a reason he will "do great things at OU." Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But it is far from certain that he is going to be the program alter-er that some expect. Or maybe that term, "program altering" just means different things to different people. I get the feeling some of you would call Spangler a program alter-er. That term to me is reserved for guys like Tisdale, Blake, Price, and maybe even down to guys like Blaylock, King, and Eduardo types (warning, my list is not all-inclusive). Lattin has a LONG ways to go to reach that level, IMO, but I am excited about what he brings to our team.

 

[garyeb2]

Baseball is a little different b/c of the number of guys playing major league ball, minor league ball, independent league ball, and college ball at any given time.

I still think my point stands. Nobody is saying Lattin won't be a good player in time. I think the only push back is against those expecting his ridiculous HS stats this year to immediately translate to college, or those trying to use his lineage as a reason he will "do great things at OU." Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But it is far from certain that he is going to be the program alter-er that some expect. Or maybe that term, "program altering" just means different things to different people. I get the feeling some of you would call Spangler a program alter-er. That term to me is reserved for guys like Tisdale, Blake, Price, and maybe even down to guys like Blaylock, King, and Eduardo types (warning, my list is not all-inclusive). Lattin has a LONG ways to go to reach that level, IMO, but I am excited about what he brings to our team.

I think you are missing the point and framing the problem wrong. Baseball isn't different than any other sport. I could have used an example of pro athlete instead of baseball. This is the computation. Calculate the possibility of a random child playing pro sports. Then, note the incidents of sons of pro athletes that have become pro athletes. The difference between those two numbers are not miniscule. They are astronomical. Linage is the single most accurate predictor of athletic success. There is no question about that.

Kruger took over as the primary recruiter on Lattin. But, one of the assistants scouted him. made the initial contacts, and brought him to Kruger. It is that assistant that I had the conversation with.

I'll repeat. I asked what caliber of competition, relative to Oklahoma HS basketball, was Lattin hanging these gaudy stats on. He said, "not every night, but, typically 5A or 6A type competition." He then gave the example of the Texas A&M signee that Lattin lit up the last time he saw him in person.

I said, "Coach, if Lattin is hanging those numbers up against decent competition, he has a chance to be a program altering talent at OU." Coach said, "yes, we think that he has a chance to be just that."

You are free to come up with your own definition of terms. You are welcome to your own predictions based on Google search expertise.

 

[TEvans4Three]

I think you are missing the point and framing the problem wrong. Baseball isn't different than any other sport. I could have used an example of pro athlete instead of baseball. This is the computation. Calculate the possibility of a random child playing pro sports. Then, note the incidents of sons of pro athletes that have become pro athletes. The difference between those two numbers are not miniscule. They are astronomical. Linage is the single most accurate predictor of athletic success. There is no question about that.

Kruger took over as the primary recruiter on Lattin. But, one of the assistants scouted him. made the initial contacts, and brought him to Kruger. It is that assistant that I had the conversation with.

I'll repeat. I asked what caliber of competition, relative to Oklahoma HS basketball, was Lattin hanging these gaudy stats on. He said, "not every night, but, typically 5A or 6A type competition." He then gave the example of the Texas A&M signee that Lattin lit up the last time he saw him in person.

I said, "Coach, if Lattin is hanging those numbers up against decent competition, he has a chance to be a program altering talent at OU." Coach said, "yes, we think that he has a chance to be just that."

You are free to come up with your own definition of terms. You are welcome to your own predictions based on Google search expertise.

*Drops Mic*

 

[AdaSooner]

Baseball is a little different b/c of the number of guys playing major league ball, minor league ball, independent league ball, and college ball at any given time.

I still think my point stands. Nobody is saying Lattin won't be a good player in time. I think the only push back is against those expecting his ridiculous HS stats this year to immediately translate to college, or those trying to use his lineage as a reason he will "do great things at OU." Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But it is far from certain that he is going to be the program alter-er that some expect. Or maybe that term, "program altering" just means different things to different people. I get the feeling some of you would call Spangler a program alter-er. That term to me is reserved for guys like Tisdale, Blake, Price, and maybe even down to guys like Blaylock, King, and Eduardo types (warning, my list is not all-inclusive). Lattin has a LONG ways to go to reach that level, IMO, but I am excited about what he brings to our team.

I must have missed the posts you referenced. No one that I'm aware of is expecting Lattin's high school stats to "immediately translate" to the college game. Does he appear to have the size, athleticism and skills to be a program changer in time? I see no reason to believe that can't happen. That doesn't mean he will, just that the potential is there. I remember when some posters had those lofty expectations for Kyle Hardrick, and we all know how that turned out.

Lattin doesn't have to be a starter or a program changer. All he has to do is to replace Tyler Neal in our rotation and add to our post depth. If he can do those two things, neither of which is unrealistic IMO, he will help us next year. If he's better than expected, that will be a bonus.

 

[garyeb2]

I must have missed the posts you referenced. No one that I'm aware of is expecting Lattin's high school stats to "immediately translate" to the college game. Does he appear to have the size, athleticism and skills to be a program changer in time? I see no reason to believe that can't happen. That doesn't mean he will, just that the potential is there. I remember when some posters had those lofty expectations for Kyle Hardrick, and we all know how that turned out.

Lattin doesn't have to be a starter or a program changer. All he has to do is to replace Tyler Neal in our rotation and add to our post depth. If he can do those two things, neither of which is unrealistic IMO, he will help us next year. If he's better than expected, that will be a bonus.

Both myself and the Coach used the term "has a chance to be." That couldn't be more clear.

 

[BoulderSooner]

You keep saying this like it means a lot.

You realize that the percentage of great athletes' kids that are anywhere near as good as their parents or whatever, is probably miniscule, right?

Heck, look at Jordan's sons compared to Jordan.

The fact that his mom and grandfather played professionally doesn't really mean much.

both of jordans sons played D1 basketball ..

 

[StatGeek]

I must have missed the posts you referenced. No one that I'm aware of is expecting Lattin's high school stats to "immediately translate" to the college game. Does he appear to have the size, athleticism and skills to be a program changer in time? I see no reason to believe that can't happen. That doesn't mean he will, just that the potential is there. I remember when some posters had those lofty expectations for Kyle Hardrick, and we all know how that turned out.

Lattin doesn't have to be a starter or a program changer. All he has to do is to replace Tyler Neal in our rotation and add to our post depth. If he can do those two things, neither of which is unrealistic IMO, he will help us next year. If he's better than expected, that will be a bonus.

Well said.

 

[WTSooner]

Both myself and the Coach used the term "has a chance to be." That couldn't be more clear.

Every player in the country "has a chance" to be special.

 

[WTSooner]

both of jordans sons played D1 basketball ..

Yes. And neither one was very good (comparatively speaking), and I believe neither finished their eligibility playing. I think the older brother quit playing.

But that was my point. They had the greatest basketball player ever as their father, both of them had good size/athleticism, and neither one was a particularly good college basketball player. Think starter at a bad school, or end of the bench at a solid school. Probably not guys you'd ever find on a the roster of the perrennial top 10 type schools.

Lattin isn't guaranteed to be anything b/c of who his family is. It's clear at this point he is probably a solid basketball player down the road. But the fact that his grandfather and mother played professionally, doesn't trump what the eye balls tell us about him at this point. HIS accomplishments and skill level are 1,000x more useful in predicting his future AT THIS POINT, than his lineage is. That is the only point I'm trying to make. He isn't an unborn child, or a baby, or a toddler. We don't need his genetics to value him as a basketball player. At this point, what he is and what he has done is FAR more telling.

 

[bocabull]

The Lattin fish tale keeps growing. Gary off the cuff a while back said a coach told him "Lattin would do nothing for us until Yo Yo put 20 lbs on him". That totally squares with the skinny kid in his AAU video last summer who was a 6 pt 5 rebound guy with virtually no hops.

Now we get some outrageous twitter stats that aren't backed up by a single article in any newspaper & he's playing against 5/6A caliber competition and a program altering talent. lol Lattin is a nice prospect because he's 6'9 but after watching the tape Buford is the guy most likely to give us anything next season. Lattin could very well redshirt.

 

[StatGeek]

The Lattin fish tale keeps growing. Gary off the cuff a while back said a coach told him "Lattin would do nothing for us until Yo Yo put 20 lbs on him". That totally squares with the skinny kid in his AAU video last summer who was a 6 pt 5 rebound guy with virtually no hops.

Now we get some outrageous twitter stats that aren't backed up by a single article in any newspaper & he's playing against 5/6A caliber competition and a program altering talent. lol Lattin is a nice prospect because he's 6'9 but after watching the tape Buford is the guy most likely to give us anything next season. Lattin could very well redshirt.

I like Buford the best personally, but why all the negative hyperbole towards Lattin? He is the highest rated recruit we have coming in next season and he didn't become this highly rated based off of Gary's conversations, twitter stats or your stupid 6&5 assertion.