steverocks35
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Yes, what an outstandingly constructed roster
Lol ok
Go back and read the board. People were elated with the job moser did assembling a roster. People were panicking about the state of the roster when moser took over.
That’s all I’m saying. He has done a great job recruiting. He’s done imo a great job in the portal.
Anyone criticizing his portal recruiting is looking at thing unfairly and with hindsight.
But but but ksu and isu!
B/c i believe ksu and isu are outliers. For every quick turnaround like them, there are 10 times it didn't workWhy should he not be measured against ISU and KSU? If he had done a "great" job in the portal and in recruiting - then is he terrible as a coach?
Yes, what an outstandingly constructed roster
B/c i believe ksu and isu are outliers. For every quick turnaround like them, there are 10 times it didn't work
I'm pretty optimistic but the program looks to have regressed in a big way.
In a big way? I don't know about that. Its not like we were tearing it up since Buddy left. We are one superstar away from being the same team we've been for the past 6-7 years
This is spot on. It's been a slow decline to this point ever since the final four run
That ignores the fact that Moser didn’t need to turn things around. We weren’t rebuilding like most teams are when they bring in a new coach.
I’d love to see the people who think he needs more time to show me examples of coaches who stepped into a job at a program that always made the tourney, wasn’t beset by scandal or culture issues, came in and oversaw a significant downturn in their first two years, but ultimately proved to be the right man for the job. Some of you act as if he inherited the Nebraska program or something.
I disagree with this. This roster was not in good shape when PM took the job. I think it was pretty clear we were on a downward trend the last 5 years of LK as well.
Players (key pieces) that left after LK's final year:Harmon, Reaves, Alondes, Manek, Kuath (this alone would be a salty lineup and likely easily beat this year's team head to head)
Players that Returned (key pieces): J HIll, Harkless, Umoja
I think you are severally devaluing the pieces that left.
Yes, the 3 that returned were starters and good players. But you have to fill out the roster.
I'd give him next year to show vast improvement. If he doesn't I'd be fine with moving on.
But if you put anyone of those players that left on last year's team or this year's team, we likely have the same record we did Lon's last 5 years in town
I disagree with this (surprising I know). This roster was not in good shape when PM took the job. I think it was pretty clear we were on a downward trend the last 5 years of LK as well.
Players (key pieces) that left after LK's final year:Harmon, Reaves, Alondes, Manek, Kuath (this alone would be a salty lineup and likely easily beat this year's team head to head)
Players that Returned (key pieces): J HIll, Harkless, Umoja
I think you are severally devaluing the pieces that left.
Yes, the 3 that returned were starters and good players. But you have to fill out the roster.
I'd give him next year to show vast improvement. If he doesn't I'd be fine with moving on.
But if you put anyone of those players that left on last year's team or this year's team, we likely have the same record we did Lon's last 5 years in town
Talking about efficient FG% and all that is great, but it doesn't necessarily mean that your offense is efficient. You have to look at turnovers, 2nd chance points, free throws, etc., so I like to look at points per possession. OU is ranked 155th in that regard because we shoot less shots than the opponents because of those things. OU averages 3 more turnovers than their opponents and gives up 2 more offensive rebounds per game, in conference they have 4 more turnovers and give up 3 more offensive rebounds per game.
I think Moser should be given until next year, but if he doesn't turn this season around and/or have a good season next year then I think he should be on his way out.
You're countering your own point. You're saying the program was on a downturn but then you say any one of five players that were on the team but left could have made the difference if they'd stayed.
I'll admit it's a very tricky question, but when any coaching change occurs, I find it difficult to decide whether the incoming coach is in even some small part to blame when players depart. We expect a coach to be able to recruit talent from the high school ranks and (now) to find some strong players in the portal; is it unreasonable to also judge whether he was able to retain talent that was already on campus?
To his credit, Coach Moser convinced Noland and Cortes (two guys you didn't mention) to stick to their commitments and Hill, Harkless and Gibson, too (though only for a year for two of them), but does it reflect well on him that he couldn't convince even one of those four talented guys you mentioned (I don't count Reaves--he had his sights set on the NBA) to stay? I can argue both sides of the question and of course we don't know how those conversations went, but it is frustrating when a coaching hire doesn't inspire key players who are already on campus.
Recruiting hasn't shown up on the court yet. So I'm not sure he's been recruiting well. Just because they have stars by their name doesn't mean it translates on the court. Efficiency has been streaky under Moser. Like we see it for a few games then it disappears for several games. We don't have the athletes to compete in the Big 12. Maybe a lot of this is Kruger's fault for not getting the athletes at the end of his tenure but the guys we've had coming in aren't athletic enough also.umm except for recruiting .. and very very efficient offense
Eh not really. It's not near as good on top as it has been at other times maybe it's as good top to bottom as it's ever been. But like the early 2000s it was way more talented on top with teams like OU, Texas, Kansas, Missouri then. They would probably run circles with those teams around any of the Big 12 teams today and make most of them look bad.also this all has to be in the context of this years big 12 being a historically great conf
I understand but I truly think we are a gibson or reaves or maybe even harmon away from atleast 2 more wins and completely different look at the team. I don't necessarily disagree with you but the difference between status quo under LK and what we are this year is really one player. TO me that isn't evidence that the program is in trouble. I don't think we are far off from where we were. I don't think PM is doing any worse that LK would have with this roster.
LK had an excellent roster in his final year and won 16 games. I'd kill to have a roster of Harmon, Umoja, Reaves, Alondes, Manek, Harkless, and JHill with PM. How that team didn't win the conference i have no idea.
Recruiting hasn't shown up on the court yet. So I'm not sure he's been recruiting well. Just because they have stars by their name doesn't mean it translates on the court. Efficiency has been streaky under Moser. Like we see it for a few games then it disappears for several games. We don't have the athletes to compete in the Big 12. Maybe a lot of this is Kruger's fault for not getting the athletes at the end of his tenure but the guys we've had coming in aren't athletic enough also.
Eh not really. It's not near as good on top as it has been at other times maybe it's as good top to bottom as it's ever been. But like the early 2000s it was way more talented on top with teams like OU, Texas, Kansas, Missouri then. They would probably run circles with those teams around any of the Big 12 teams today and make most of them look bad.